A young woman I know very well (my oldest daughter, the amazing and brilliant Jeyoani, who is 30) wrote, but deleted, an incredible post about the Britney Spears birthing statue controversy. (I am hoping she will re-post it!) In that post she wrote that as a young girl of 10 or 11, it was being in the presence of, and seeing images of, women giving birth that made her a lifelong radical feminist, even though we were members of a fringe-y fundamentalist group at the time, and she was a little girl in a head covering and jumper who was not permitted to read mainstream books and magazines, much less feminist publications. Nevertheless, seeing both real, live women laboring and giving birth, and seeing photos of women laboring and birthing published in books we had in our home, like Spiritual Midwifery, and in magazines, especially Mothering magazine, made her the radical feminist she still is today.
Jeyoani said so many amazing things in that post– that women laboring and birthing in our own way are strong, powerful and yes, sexual (as opposed to sexy), because creativity and strength and self-confidence are sexual. That there is a sexual component to birth (and I agree, but have so far feared to even go there), and that there is nothing pornographic or tawdry or shameful or embarrassing about it. That she was ashamed of the feminist response to the Britney Spears statue, in that it evidenced feminist embarrassment about the processes of pregnancy, labor and birth. Reflecting on something a member of the Women’s Space community had said, that the real pornography is a woman on a hospital gurney, her legs spread-eagled in stirrups, a male doctor standing between them, having his way with her, Jeyoani said that that position for birthing, besides being tantamount to torture, is comparable with the missionary position in sex: man on top, woman on the bottom, in this case compounded by levels and layers of patriarchal power topping female subordination.
The knee-chest birthing position
Most interesting of all: Jeyoani didn’t even realize that the image of the the statue above and in the post, Nothing Eww About It, was the statue everyone was talking about, was the source of the “Britney Spears Birthing Statue” controversy! She thought I had simply chosen that image of a statue as an example, just as I’d chosen the other photos as examples, that the statue reminded her of similar art she has seen in midwives’ homes and offices, that in her opinion it was too artistic to have been the the statue everyone had been referring to as pornography, and that it didn’t look like Britney Spears to her. To her, the statue was not pornography.
In her post, Jeyoani said that as far as she was concerned, women laboring and birthing in a woman-centered way, free of the interventions, restrictions and interference of patriarchal medicine, are “goddesses on parade.” Hence, the title of this post.
Following is some birth imagery I have gathered, together with some thoughts and questions I am having. I continue to be deeply disturbed by how feminists responded to the creation of the Britney Spears birthing statue. Before I begin, here is an image of a woman actually giving birth in the position represented in the Britney Spears statue. Although the woman’s body is covered, this photo demonstrates that this really is a position in which women labor and give birth.

Consider this statue:

On the website I visited, the caption beneath the photo reads, “Taina women gave birth squatting and alone. They tried to give birth near a river so that they could bathe themselves and their newborn.”
The creator of this piece is a Puerto Rican man, Reynaldo Real, who, his website says, is ”dedicated to the presentation of indigenous Puerto Rican life in clay.”
Does anyone think that this clay statue is pornographic? If it is not, then why isn’t it? The woman in the statue is laboring in a common laboring-and-birthing position, as is also true of the Britney Spears statue. But the position taken in the Taina statue is a position prostituted women also commonly assume, not only in film and paper pornography, but in stripping and exotic dancing. In both statues, the baby’s head is crowning and visible, and in both statues the women evidence pregnant abdomens. The women in both images are nude, physically fit and attractive. In both statues, the facial expressions are not come-hither; they evidence something like concentration.
Is the Britney Spears statue pornographic just because the woman represented is Britney Spears? Even though she was never consulted and did not give permission? Are images of Britney Spears quid pro quo pornography? If so, how so? If the statue of the Taina woman is also pornography, why is it? Because wherever women are nude and displaying their breasts and genitals, we are seeing pornography? Are representations of labor and birth pornographic, per se? Why? If they are not, why aren’t they? Is the statue of Britney Spears pornographic because it was created in the context of raunch culture? Is the image of the Taina woman somehow not pornography because it was created by an indigenous man to portray the cultural event of birth amongst his people?
What about this image which accompanies an essay written by the late Jeannine Parvati Baker, a highly respected shamanic midwife and woman healer who worked tirelessly for women’s birthing rights until she died last January:

The position this woman assumes is similar to positions prostituted women assume for pornography. She is young, traditionally attractive and nude. She is touching herself. She is grimacing, just as prostituted women often grimace in pornography. Is this photo pornography? If it is not, why not? If it is, why is it?

The photo above is of a woman who is not in labor, is not giving birth, but who is in the late stages of pregnancy. She is young and traditionally beautiful.
Is this photo pornography? If so, why? Does the woman’s beauty, in and of itself, make nude images of her pregnant form pornography? Does rendering the photo in an artistic fashion make this photo pornographic? Are we living in a time in which we are so surfeited with raunch that we cannot endorse, approve, view or accept any nudity, for any reason at all? If so — and some in our radical feminist community may feel this way – how are girls and women to prepare themselves for what they will experience should they bear children? For what their bodies will look like? For what it might be like to labor, to deliver a child? Not all girls and young women are fortunate, as my daughters and my friends’ and fellow birthing activists’ daughters were, to be included and wholeheartedly invited into the processes of pregnancy, labor and birth. If we do not create and publish our own imagery, imagery of ourselves as strong and courageous women who create, author and control our own birthing experiences, in the company of women, assisted by women, attended by women, then how will our girls and women be prepared for their own similar labors and deliveries? If we do not carefully appraise birth imagery created by others, including men, more for its accuracy, for how true it is to woman-centered, woman-controlled birthing, than for its potential prurience in the eyes of those who can be counted upon to fetishize all and every thing a woman does and is, then how are we not privileging men’s potential for prurience, their habit of fetishizing us, over our own vested interest in reclamation and re-authoring of this important bodily and procreative experience which belongs only to us, as women, which is wholly our own? What will girls and young women have available to them to counteract (and condemn) the ubiquitous birthing imagery which is the creation of a patriarchal sadosociety, images like this:

And this:

Like this:

Or this:

Are these latter images pornography? If not, why not?
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I’ve read a lot of posts about that statue, but I didn’t write one myself…
I am so glad I found your site though, because I had no idea that that position was a typical birthing position. So, I just learned something new and now I have a better understanding of what the artist was trying to do.
Given the fact that I just learned quite a bit about pregnancy and childbirth, I would say you have a good point! I don’t actually want children, so I have never investigated it, but I have also never accidentally come across any pertinent information either. So, excellent post! Thank you.
Your post reminded of my experience in labour the first time. A friend I had lived with for years was over helping out. While he made some food in the kitchen, I had a series of contractions in the living room. He came in smiling: “When you’re having a contraction, you sound exactly the same as when you’re having sex!”
I think labour is a very sexual experience, but people really hate to mix together anything sexy with anything maternal. It’s a shame, really.
Hey, le lyons, based on what I’ve read about this sculptor, I can confidently say I have no idea what he was trying to do! My hunch is he had really mixed motives and that he knew this would be a really controversial piece (hence, it would get him a bunch of publicity and probably money.) I just think that somehow he did manage to depict birthing the way it does actually happen when women are not restrained by monitors and IVs and so on (he was present at the birth of his own three children, maybe this is how his wife gave birth), and that his creation of this piece gives us some opportunity to talk about all this stuff, which as you also say, is a good thing.
And I’m going to add you to the blogroll, nice to meet you.
Sage, very true about the way heterpatriarchy wants to keeps its madonnas and its whores strictly separated, no blurring of those categories allowed. :::rage:::
It’s interesting, re your friend’s comment, I often think that people working out in the gym make sounds that sound like those which are made during sex! Sometimes, I must admit, I feel vaguely revolted and wish I had ear plugs! We make these gigantic distinctions between what activities constitute sex and what activities are not-sex and if you look closely, it’s activities which most closely approximate heterosexual intercourse that are called “sex,” whereas whatever isn’t anything like het intercourse, or which have nothing at all to do with intercourse, seem to have to be something totally and completely different and not sexual. Which has everything to do with the way male supremacists control the discourse, you know?
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[...] Women’s Space/The Margins: “Goddesses on Parade”: Birth, Pornography, the Britney Spears Birthing Statue [...]
[...] Women’s Space/The Margins: “Goddesses on Parade”: Birth, Pornography, the Britney Spears Birthing Statue [...]
Right on. This basically summarizes my feelings on the peice. I’m shocked at the reactions that so-called “feminists” are having to what I thought was a beautiful sculpture. Is any depiction of a woman’s body automatically “dirty”? I think people’s reactions have mostly to do with it being Britney Spears than anything else.
I don’t have much to add except that, as an artist, I find this sort of attitude troubling. Are women’s bodies that evil, even among the one group that you’d think wouldn’t subscribe to the idea?
[...] At the moment, I want to draw your attention to Women’s Space/The Margins, where you will find a thought-provoking meditation on “Goddesses on Parade:” Birth, Pornography, and the Brittany Spears Birthing Statue. [...]
Wow – I honestly had no idea there had been discussions about it being pornographic. I”m not sure how I missed that. Probably because I was disturbed by the pro-life propaganda context and using the image of someone who is a real person to try to forward pro-life agenda.
But pornographic?
I was at the birth of my best friend’s son and there is nothing pornographic about it. She laboured in this exact position right up until the end. It was and continues to be one of the most beautiful and incredible experiences I’ve witnessed.
Hey, Leisha, thanks for posting that. You might be interested in reading the discussion of the statue that we had over on the Women’s Space boards, as well. In the meantime, I will add you to the blogroll, IF I can figure out how to do that. WordPress has made some changes, and now the links I’ve added, several lately, aren’t showing up, argh. Well, I will figure it out.
Thanks again for your comments. One comment someone on the boards made, and it was good, was that those of us from woman-centered birthing traditions *like* this statue, and she lists the reasons along the lines of what you said there. She agreed with another woman who said either we had seen too many woman-centered births or not enough porn!
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I’m a rare bird indeed. I’m a married woman who is childless by choice. I love my friends’ children, but don’t want any of my own. My husband is of like mind. This is totally my own opinion, but I think birth is disgusting to watch. It doesn’t matter if it’s a farm animal or a human being. We were taught sex ed in high school and they showed us the birth film. What disgusted me so was that the woman was in this compromising position, someone has a camera aimed at her crotch, and believe me, it doesn’t look like she’s having a good time. I told my teacher, ‘I’ll NEVER do that!’ She said, “Aw, honey. Someday you’ll change your mind.” “Someday” never came and I’m glad of it. My husband just recently had a vasectomy so that our sex life can be unfettered by the inconvenience of birth control. I prefer making love for recreation, not re-creation. The only baby I want for my upcoming 40th birthday is a Harley.
Hey, T.G. Scott, thanks for taking the time to post.
I think all women’s choices are to be protected– the choice to give birth, the choice not to, go you in living your life by your own lights.
It’s unfortunate that for purposes of sex ed, a video of a birth where the camera was aimed at a woman’s crotch were shown. Was this a hospital birth? Were doctors “delivering” (not) the baby? Was she hooked up to monitors and IVs and surrounded by guys in masks? Fwiw, I don’t like cameras during birthing and never allowed them at my births. I am glad home birthing/woman-centered birthing women allow for photos sometimes, though, just because girls and women who do want to have children are so benefitted by seeing birthing done women’s way.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
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In response to your question, Womensspace, I only recall one doctor, perhaps a nurse, and the ever supportive husband on hand. The lady was giving birth Lamaze style in a semi-reclined position. While she didn’t carry on too much, it still unnerved me, but I don’t think that’s the only reason I’m childless by choice. Apparently, my biological clock has always been broken. My only maternal instinct is directed towards our pets. I do remember very well trading my doll for Cousin Randy’s Tonka truck. Great swap, if you ask me. I also became very resentful when I was considered the “token babysitter” for the neighborhood- a position I was unwillingly thrust into. I was the only girl in our little country community. I would rather have been out driving tractors with the fellas. I equate childlessness with freedom. Some might also be surprised to know that I am also an evangelical Christian and believe in the sanctity of human life. I think babies should be planned and welcomed. However, I’m also fiscally conservative, I don’t think people who cannot properly care for them should be popping them out indiscriminately.
Love your site, BTW. You invite great discussions.
Interesting response, T.G. Scott! I love people that violate every and all possible stereotyping, pleased to meet you.
I’m right there with you as far as the way toys for kids are gendered, so you get dolls if you’re a girl, also the responsibility for babysitting, and trucks if you’re a boy. I hated that growing up. I couldn’t get into dolls and never enjoyed babysitting. Interestingly, I also never really thought much about having kids, except as a teenager when I was afraid I’d get pregnant. I loved being pregnant, though, giving birth, breastfeeding, though to this day I don’t really enjoy caring for children other than my own.
Come the revolution, no woman will bear children if she doesn’t want to. Some women may just enjoy bearing and caring for babies and infants, but not older children; they will be free to enjoy those parts of mothering without being finally and ultimately responsible for children, just because they bore them. Other women who don’t want to get pregnant or bear children might like caring for small children, or connecting with teenagers and they will be free to do that. Children will be raised in the context of caring community with lots of people who care for them; the women who gave them birth may not, in the end, be the most important, or even important care givers. Or they might be, if they want to be. Well, that’s the kind of world I dream anyway.
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This *isn’t* a normal birthing position. Most of the feminist criticism of this piece has been because of the fantastically unrealistic expression on the face of the sculpture, along with the ridiculously arched back, lifted legs and pointed toes.
Birthing on all fours is natural; birthing in this position, arse lifted in the air like a horny she-cat is not. Not only would the lifted legs make pushing more difficult as the woman would have nothing to push against, the arched back would mean she was pushing against gravity. Hardly helpful.
The criticism of this piece has nothing to do with any apparent ‘ickiness’ associated with female bodies or birthing, and everything to do with the fact that a man depicted a celebrity in a submissive pose typically associated with porno sex as a ‘pro-life’ statement. It is far from a homage to female reproductive power.
Andrea, how does what you’ve said there work with what Leisha posted above as follows:
I was at the birth of my best friend’s son and there is nothing pornographic about it. She laboured in this exact position right up until the end. It was and continues to be one of the most beautiful and incredible experiences I’ve witnessed. ?
I am not sure why there is this belief that it is okay to tell women from woman-centered birthing traditions, who have birthed, themselves in this position and have seen women birth in this position, that it isn’t “normal.”
It is normal. I will refer you again to the discussions on my own board where we talk about how this is so and where the back arch is discussed and so on.
Much of the criticism of this piece has had to do with the “ick” factor around birthing. This is what I have seen; this is what I have read.
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In no way was I informing anyone that to give birth on all fours is not ‘normal’, but if you’d prefer to believe that, since it fits in with your theory feminists who have criticised this ‘piece’ have issues with the bodies they themselves possess, go ahead.
As I’ve already said, giving birth on all fours is natural, but the position that sculpture is in would be physically impossible to give birth in. I have already explained why. Even the picture you posted as an example of a woman birthing in the ’same’ position shows marked differences.
Obviously I’m alone here, but I’m far more concerned with questioning the use of sculptures like this, which many women find objectionable, to get some idiot into the media spotlight than with criticising other feminists and deciding for them they have issues with birth, maybe I’m just in the wrong place.
Hey, Andrea, I don’t think you’re in the wrong place, and I think you are far from alone! I think you have lots and lots of company so far as how you view that sculpture. I think the position of the woman in the photo I posted was very similar, just from a different angle and the woman was covered. If you look carefully you can see that her back is deeply arched. I know that it is possible to labor all the way through crowning in that position because I have done it. Leisha says her friend gave birth in that same position. And others on my boards have agreed. I am trying to understand this insistence that this position is impossible, when I am telling you I have labored through crowning in that very position.
It is possible.
I share your concerns about idiots making birthing statues of women without their permission and of exploiting the controversy that is thus created. That’s a really shitty thing for this guy to have done. Who wants to see an image of their nude, birthing body on the evening news! I would not argue with you at all there. I think the guy was totally wrong to do what he did.
My intention, though, given that he *did* do it, has been to talk about the response to the statue. Some of the responses I totally sympathize and agree with. Some I don’t, and that’s what my posts have been about — I’ve posted as I’ve posted because nobody else was was giving voice to my own responses and thoughts. I think my criticisms were important for a whole bunch of reasons, most notably, if feminist women don’t recognize a position that, as Jeyoani posted, women have been getting into for birth for millennia, they may not fight for a woman’s right to birth that way when the time comes. They may resist depictions of birthing that look just like this– because they don’t realize that women do birth in this way — and in so doing pregnant women will not have been exposed to imagery that might help them when they are laboring. If all you have ever seen is women on hospital beds, hooked up to instruments and monitors and on their backs to birth, it likely won’t even occur to you when you give birth that there are many other ways to give birth. If you’ve seen imagery of birthing women in a multitude of positions, it is far more likely you will understand that the birthing process is yours to shape, to create, that you can do anything you want when the time comes. This is really important during a time when as feminist women, we are losing birthing rights, midwives are being prosecuted and harrassed for nothing, and woman-centered home birth has been outlawed in some states or the wheels of that process are turning.
So, a few thoughts.
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Hi, chick. It’s me again. I’m sorry I got totally off-topic in the last couple of posts. About the Britney statue: Not having children myself, I don’t know how accurate that pose is, but it wasn’t the pose that Britney was in. She delivered her little bundle via c-section.
True, T.G. Scott, re Spears’ c-section. But I don’t think that makes the statue any more or less offensive? Because the sculptor’s point wasn’t to memorialize Spears’ birthing experience. Jeyoani over on my boards made the point that Pamela Anderson, another sex symbol, gave birth at home with midwives, and that this wouldn’t have made depicting her in this statue any more “right” or “wrong.” This statue isn’t a statement about Britney Spears’ birthing experience– it’s a statement about Britney Spears AND sex symbols AND pregnancy AND birth and some other things.
It’s interesting, the thing about this statue is, there is NO CONTEXT. A whole bunch of stuff is pulled all together in one contextless place: Britney Spears, a fetishized teenie-bopper, an adult sex symbol, becomes a nude birthing woman, a nude woman on all fours, even though she actually had a c-section, there are these elements of “nature,” the bear head, the bear rug, a baby’s head, crowning. Those looking at the statue are left to contextualize it, and what happens is, we contextualize it in different ways.
The bizarre thing is, too, that sex symbols always have a sort of contextless,quality about them, they are made to be a blank slate upon which men, and sometimes women, inscribe our fantasies, and upon which women, and sometimes men, inscribe our fears as well.
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[...] Women’s Space has a great post on pregnancy, birth, statues, images, and pornography. She writes in response to the Britney Spears statue that I posted about when I first saw it. [...]
[...] Even if a woman chooses to carry a pregnancy to term, there are no easy answers. Sherry Chandler examines the popular trend toward elective c-sections. Women’s Space/The Margins writes on the Brittney Spears birthing statue controversy and the pornification of the birth experience. Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony covers the notion of “silent birth.” Culturekitchen observes how whether women chose to reproduce or not, they’re seen as selfish. [...]
I have a problem with Britney Spears’ statue because it is not true. She had an elective C-section. She does not represent women. The statue is a fraud. It would have done better if it was a face that was not a fraud!
I’m with Leisha: I was much more worried about the pro-life applications of the statue in question. I think it should be used as a goddess statue, rather than a patriarchs-who-want-to-control-my-uterus statue.
In addition, I’m like Ms. Scott. I have decided to not become a mother due to numerous circumstances, however would love to go through the process of pregnancy and birth (there we differ
. I would love to be a midwife, or invited to the labor of one of my friends. I think it’s a beautiful event.
I’m also sort of with Andrea: there seem to be certain aspects of the statue (like the arched back) that move this from a woman-enjoying-giving-birth (I’ve read it can cause orgasms, in a VBAC book) to a pregnancy-and-giving-birth-as-fetish, which I find problematic.
I wanted so desperately to give birth either squatting or on my hands and knees. I had no chance with either child as labor hit me quickly and hard, like a ton of bricks.
But to say those photos of women having C-sections are somehow wrong? Tell me I am reading you wrong. I owe the lives of our only nephew, youngest niece, sister-in-law and her own sister and mother to C-sections.
Or am I missing the point?
pinky, the photos of c-sections are not “wrong,” per se. Sometimes women need c-sections. I was contrasting the response to statues, photos or art of women giving birth to responses to highly medicalized births, with masked doctors and staff, blood everywhere, various instruments, and the mother completely out of it. Too often the response to women birthing naturally is revulsion, whereas nobody thinks a thing about women drugged, bound, passed out, cut, bloody at the hands of masked male doctors. I am not saying, again, that c-sections are not necessary at times. They are. I am saying that there is something wrong when people, women especially, feel revulsion towards depictions of naturally birthing women and not towards the kinds of photos I’ve posted of highly medicalized births.
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