Comments on: Col. Janis Karpinski: U.S. Covered Up Deaths of Women Soldiers Who Died Trying to Protect Themselves from Rape by Male Soldiers http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/ Re-Member the Past, Seize Today, Dream the Future Fri, 18 May 2012 21:26:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: jayherron http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-82701 Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:15:58 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-82701 It troubles me to see so many sites towards feminism and female rights and so limited (or was there any) with nothing to edify and offer support to ‘male’ survivors of sexual assault-and even rape.
There should be an open mind that sexual assault is not confined to gender-attack happens to men as surely as it happens to woman….ahhh,and even children-and children are’nt yet an age to understand feminism and rights.
The devience of both men and woman is an issue that is not honestly conveyed to society.
A woman…her husband…her adult son,and his friend…all together sexually assaulted Christopher Barious (I’m sure I’ve misspelled his last name) Christopher was a six year old abducted by this group…he was raped and dumped in a ditch with a plastic garbage bag for a coffin. This took place in Brunswick GA.

It is true- a larger number of woman reported rapes to military superiors then men…but does that number relect the truth?
I am a MALE.
I have suffered years of torment and shame that I was raped-repeatedly raped-while doing service to my country.
Men raped me-yes…
But the reality is….it is NOT feminist isolated crime-it is not!
It should be looked at closer than feminism gives a window to.

]]> By: Waldemar http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-28108 Wed, 16 May 2007 02:51:31 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-28108 what bites, is that there is a military

a friend of mine suggested
re the iraq dehydration
why don’t they have a portable pee pot, can, what ever
pee at night
or even pee in the sand
(camels do it)
rather than dehydrate

is that a telling story
on corporate america

]]> By: jayherron http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-27434 Fri, 11 May 2007 18:01:54 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-27434 Who ever reads this blog and sees this PLEASE:
Help me STAND UP for VETERANS RIGHTS!!
It is a terrible thing to be a volunteer in a military and to be returned damaged by assaults and rape…and to DEAF EARS!!
Lets work together and change this!!!

]]> By: jayherron http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-5174 Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:54:07 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-5174 As a male survivor of rape and sexual assaults…yes-assaualts/while serving in the USNavy in 1969-70 I want to say that there are further assaults to survivors who apply to the veterans administration for help-the veterans advocates are NOT SUFFIECIENTLY TAUGHT how to hear and deal with the details of being raped during military service. Eare is not a crime locked soley in the military-it is a world wide crime…also a genderless crime-male or female will not change the way shame is felt-intersting,my rape was administered in a urinal in a detention barracks….I was there for no explainable reason-AND I was given an HONRABLE DISCHARGE. How come I don’t feel so honorable?

]]> By: Unknown http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-2724 Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:39:49 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-2724 Woman, decided to defend our country. So did men. Men have been over powering woman for centuries. Woman, want to die for their country. They will die defeating their purpose. To die of dehydration, is not dying for your country. Men in the army have no problem killing innocent lives, what makes you think they care about rapping a woman ? These men do what the are told, and do not give it a second thought. I would rather be rapped than die of dehydration. Men, have seen death. Men, are testing woman now more than ever. Woman can be strong. Woman, can be afraid. We are in war. War is to win, not to fight. Surround your enemy and leave them a passage way to escape. Don’t kill the enemy. If you kill this enemy, more enemies will come your way. Woman are mentally stronger than men. We show emotion. They don’t. Men were not meant to love, because they cannont handle such responsibility. This is why woman were meant to bare children. These woman are not afraid of dying. These woman are afraid of living, and wanting to die.

]]> By: Jan http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-2482 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:20:26 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-2482 I spent nearly 5 years in the Navy during the Vietnam War. You have no idea how women were treated back then or even now unless you were in the service. We have to work 3 times as hard as men to get the same respect. we were ignored just like how the General described her superiors did. Read her fabulous book and you will understand how women are still being marginalized in the service. The men don’t change.

]]> By: ginmar http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1255 Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:01:35 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1255 It’s not. Women in the military are strong, and most of the men are decent.

]]> By: Roberta http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1230 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:45:49 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1230 I wasn’t aware that being raped by your comrades was part of the contract when you sign up for military service. was that in the fine print or something?

So if a man wants sex and you happen to be there (as a soldier) and you don’t want to give it to him then he has some unwritten right to just take it by force? So is that what the men mean when they say they made their beds so to speak?

Where do these men get their ideas from? I think severe punisment is in order if all this is true. The same punishment you would get if you raped as a civilian other civilians.

RR

]]> By: ginmar http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1229 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:29:24 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1229 The story just doesn’t make sense. A dehydration death would result in the CO being subject to discipline, becuase it would be regarded as neglecting his troops. There’s water everywhere, wihch means there’s water bottles, too, in case you really don’t want to go to the latrine at night. Every soldier has at least one flash light, too. Also, the men who actually serve with women often find it a transformative experience. I can’t imagine where she’s getting this, but I have to say I f ind her portrait of female soldiers as helpless victims distasteful in the extreme.

]]> By: womensspace http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1221 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 05:35:51 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1221 Hey, ginmar, I don’t doubt that at all– I wish I’d run this by you before I posted it. What do you think? Where is Karpinski coming from? I honestly don’t know what to think, except that I know men rape, soldiers rape, and I know that women soldiers were and are in a really vulnerable situation in Iraq. But I would definitely defer to your thoughts here.

Heart

]]> By: ginmar http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1220 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:06:49 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1220 I corresponded with David Hackworth myself. If this had been a concern for me, do you doubt I would have noted it?

]]> By: womensspace http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1219 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 02:50:59 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1219 Hey, thanks, ginmar, I’ll e-mail you. I found your journal entry:

http://ginmar.livejournal.com/633471.html

Here’s the link to Marjorie Cohn’s article in Truthout:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013006J.shtml

Heart

]]> By: ginmar http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1218 Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:24:38 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1218 I blogged about this in January, and I have to say it makes no sense. There are latrines everywhere at CAmp Victory, and I know this because I served there. There’s a lot wrong with this story, but some things in it ring true. Hearrt, you can email me.

]]> By: Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » Link Farm & Open Thread #29 http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1206 Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:15:12 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1206 [...] Women’s Space/The Margins: Female Soldiers Die of Dehydration Trying To Avoid Rape [...]

]]> By: Creative Destruction » Link Farm & Open Thread #29 http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1205 Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:14:03 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1205 [...] Women’s Space/The Margins: Female Soldiers Die of Dehydration Trying To Avoid Rape [...]

]]> By: spotted elephant http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1134 Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:41:37 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1134 ”The women asked to be here, so now let them take what comes with the territory.”

I wasn’t aware that male US soldiers were raping each other on a constant basis.

]]> By: Branjor http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1103 Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:21:19 +0000 https://womensspace.wordpress.com/2006/07/01/janis-karpinski-us-covered-up-deaths-of-women-soldiers-who-died-trying-to-protect-themselves-from-rape-by-male-soldiers/#comment-1103 It is obvious that rapists simply do not belong in the military.

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