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The Way Men Hate Us

As of about 10:00 p.m. on the day of this post, there were three registered users on my Women’s Space/Margins boards, which women I care about and I created in 2000 and which have been a haven for all sorts of women since then.  We’ve supported one another, been friends with one another, cared for one another there for seven years .  These three registered users were:

Rick Astley
N***** N*****N*****
B**** Slap

They changed titles of threads from “Who was your mentor?” and “Warm Fuzzies,” to, for example, “LOL, I rape u” .

I have their IP addresses and other information about them and will gather as much information as I possibly am able and will then learn what my remedies are, what action I might be able to take against them.   

They filled my boards with the evidence of their own self-loathing– with woman hatred, with race hatred and hatred of lesbians. Of course they filled the place with the hate speech which men call “pornography”.  These are men who appear to hate everybody. My hunch is, though, they hate themselves most of all.   They are to be pitied, of course.  But more than that, they should be understood as the threat they are to women, men, children, to all persons who care about the earth, its creatures, and all life.

We will fix this.  Have no fear!  Stay tuned, we’re working on it.

In the meantime, we can process it here.  They can’t hack WordPress.

I love you wimmin.  I’m so sorry.  I’m so not surprised.  This is what men do, or attempt to do, to strong women. 

Heart

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165 thoughts on “The Way Men Hate Us

  1. I’ve had a feeling of dread all day, which is why I’m still up at 4AM. I just checked my email and it was full of spam (never happened before at that address), then checked the boards and saw they were down, so I came here. Now I’m seething.

    Listen UP, you assholes. WE KNOW how much you hate us, so stop wasting your time reminding us. You turn it around and accuse us of hating you and wring your hands and wonder why. THIS IS WHY. THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE. Pathetic how it’s so damn scary to you for us to have ONE PLACE where you can’t go, so you have to force your way in and trash it. Pathetic little boys.

    Posted by Melissa | August 1, 2007, 8:23 am
  2. And I’m so sorry, Heart, that you have to wade through all of their garbage and clean up their mess. Like you need more crap to deal with.

    Posted by Melissa | August 1, 2007, 8:30 am
  3. Melissa, I’m so sorry.

    I can fix what they did. We won’t lose too much, if anything. The final step of the upgrade to the boards is in progress right now and most of the work has already been done. :) There’s maybe two hours left, after our ISP does its part of the work. The new upgrade will make the boards less vulnerable. I will call our ISP first thing tomorrow so we can make sure nothing like this ever happens again.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 8:34 am
  4. Melissa, thanks. I’m just glad we didn’t lose much. The threads are there, comments are there. It could have been much worse, so I will try to focus on that.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 8:39 am
  5. I don’t know how you stay so positive in the face of crap like this. I need some of that, whatever it is.

    Don’t stay up all night! (Yeah, like I’m one to be giving that advice.)

    Posted by Melissa | August 1, 2007, 8:54 am
  6. HA!

    Eh, I’m not positive. I am just determined. :) They can’t stop us. Nothing can stop us. No one can stop us.

    This, I know.

    {{}}

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 9:05 am
  7. I’m not surprised nor intimidated by their behaviour. I have been subjected to men’s violence all my life, all types of it and I know exactly how and what men and boys feel and think about us. I am only more determined in my course. Each attack only strengthens me. Hope for humanity lies in us.

    Posted by Danu | August 1, 2007, 9:32 am
  8. Thanks for this post Heart. You have my wholehearted support. I often remain silent because what I see from my fellow women is what I know and believe but apart from adding that heartfelt “Yes!” I cannot add to it. As to those infantile, disruptive elements; they are puerile and ineffectual. As if such things could intimidate people of such obvious courage and integrity as you, Heart.

    Posted by su | August 1, 2007, 10:28 am
  9. I am so sorry, Heart.

    Let me know if there’s anything I can do.

    Posted by justicewalks | August 1, 2007, 10:31 am
  10. Was yesterday ‘Asshole Male’ day and I never got the memo? Yes, I know that’s every day, but between this and some other stuff, I thought maybe it was official.

    Posted by Miranda | August 1, 2007, 10:37 am
  11. fuck knows how they treat the women theyre intimately involved with :(

    Posted by v | August 1, 2007, 10:49 am
  12. It’s funny how men will claim forever that pornography is harmless but whenever they want to intimidate or silence women out comes the pornography and the sexual insults. I wonder what living with that kind of cognitive dissonance does to their heads?

    It’s pathetic that they did this. Sorry you’re having to clear up their mess Heart, but I also say thanks guys for the reminder (as if we needed one) that feminism is so important. They can’t bear women out of their control anywhere.

    Posted by delphyne | August 1, 2007, 10:50 am
  13. I tried to access the Yahoo email account I have listed in my profile on the boards and it won’t let me in. If you get an email from my lookingglass07 account please post that info here so I can have more to report to Yahoo security.

    Thanks,

    –looking glass

    Posted by looking glass | August 1, 2007, 11:27 am
  14. I cannot get into my yahoo account either.

    Posted by Chasingmoksha | August 1, 2007, 11:37 am
  15. I’ve had two of my gmail accounts hacked, the accounts won’t let me in.

    I urge all members of the forum to change *all* passwords for any accounts referenced in any of the emails of hacked accounts .

    Where’s the security for gmail and yahoo FFS?

    Oh, I know what they did. The grabbed the passwords for all of our womenspace board accounts and then tried them on our associated email accounts and bingo. Then they changed the password in our email accounts.

    I sure as fuck don’t feel sorry for these dicks, and their dick-wannabee girlfriends.

    They should eat and choke on their own shit.

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 11:38 am
  16. I’m so sorry, Heart. As if they’re not hurting women enough during the rest of the time, they have to hack a safe space for women…. the one place they are not allowed. These hackers have no shame, no conscience.

    I received an email today from some misogynist tosspot which was also sent to many email addresses on the Margins Boards. It basically had just antifeminist pictures etc., the usual (nothing pornographic, thank goddess). I was freaked because it went to my regular email account and not my blog one.

    To the hackers: fuck you all. I wouldn’t be you, you cowardly, base little wankers.

    Posted by Laurelin | August 1, 2007, 11:42 am
  17. I could get into my yahoo accounts- perhaps because my passwords were different from my womenspace passwords? I’ve changed them anyway…

    Posted by Laurelin | August 1, 2007, 11:50 am
  18. Yup, they’ve also just sent me a load of crap to my yahoo account. Do they think sending me gay porn is going to offend my delicate little eye balls – or something?

    Posted by sparklematrix | August 1, 2007, 12:01 pm
  19. I’ve reported my 2 compromised accounts to google.

    I think the lesson is, for these message board accounts, to use disposable email addresses.

    Also, cgi boards are notoriously easy to hack. “Script kiddies” can do it.

    Even php boards can be hacked.

    A php board that I read every day that has hundreds of members who are all computer geeks has been hacked in the past – *everything* was lost. We had to start all over.

    It’s a form of warfare, a form of computer gaming for these little poison-heads.

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 12:08 pm
  20. I’ve had e-mails from your yahoo e-mail accounts Mary Sunshine, the hackers must be e-mailing everybody in your address book. What a bunch of assholes. How small does someone’s life have to be that that’s the only way they can their kicks?

    Posted by delphyne | August 1, 2007, 12:13 pm
  21. It shows how scared they are. How fragile there position is. If they are so scared of a small group of feminists then they must not think they are deserving of their position of priviledge, therefore, like Nazis they attempt to stomp out the slightest sound of dissent. They have my disdain, and, pity. Pity for being so utterly pitiful. But not that much pity, because once they think they are getting enough pity, they will cry the victim and then exploit that for their own gain.

    Let me cry for them…………

    “what about the menz
    what about the menz
    what about the menz

    oh for the love of GOD, my male god who says I am rightfully in power, where are you, what about the menzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.”

    Posted by Kitty Glendower | August 1, 2007, 12:19 pm
  22. The Twisty board has also been hacked, and it is a php board:

    http://easypersiflage.com/blameforum/

    No posts are visible, and any visitor (guest) is told that they have been banned for obscene posts.

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 12:50 pm
  23. I got a new password for my Yahoo account and was able to log in.
    There were two new emails in my account. One from somebody name Thomas Kidfiddelz which I am not going to open.
    The second one was a request for a password reminder on my PayPal account. Fortunately I use a different password for it and I went in and checked history and removed all my bank and credit card info so no damage was done. Women, please check your paypal accounts immediately if they have ANY connection with info you used on the boards.
    Heart, this is pretty serious criminal activity if they are trying to hack peoples financial institutions. If there is any info you need from me to help track these assholes for what they attempted please let me know.

    –looking glass

    Posted by looking glass | August 1, 2007, 12:51 pm
  24. Would you have pity for somebody who did a home invasion?

    Do you thing they could give a flying —- if anybody pities them?

    They are just sociopaths.

    I don’t pity rapists and murderers.

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 12:53 pm
  25. Has anyone else been sent a list of all our email addresses
    under the heading of “for all you life loving ladies” ?.
    Do we know what country these hackers hail from?. They have never heard of live and let live
    Hope all is restored soon.

    Posted by helzeph | August 1, 2007, 1:09 pm
  26. Looking Glass- that’s the same chap who emailed me. I’ve kept the email in case we need it to identify the tosspot if necessary.

    Posted by Laurelin | August 1, 2007, 1:13 pm
  27. I just reported Thomash Kidfiddelz to gmail. I had a message from him too. I don’t know that it will do any good.

    Posted by justicewalks | August 1, 2007, 1:15 pm
  28. Mary Sunshine, it was just a slight tinge of pity, sort of like the pity for that hideous dying thing Harry sees in King’s Cross. LOL!

    Posted by Kitty Glendower | August 1, 2007, 1:18 pm
  29. ((( Kitty! )))

    Mary Sunshine <== adrenalin pumped

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 1:23 pm
  30. That’s just heartbreaking–I only wish it were surprising.

    Posted by frog | August 1, 2007, 1:49 pm
  31. I got the email from the tosspot too. I still have access to my email account, I guess because the password is different from my Margins password.

    What a bunch of LOSERS. There should really be legal consequences for them.

    Posted by Branjor | August 1, 2007, 1:54 pm
  32. I use spamex for all comments and for my blog email address, it costs $10 a year for 400 disposable email addresses but I’ve actually never had to throw one away in 3 years of using it. In case anyone is interested (no I don’t have stock in the company, just found it 3 years ago when someone recommended I get a throwaway address.)

    https://www.spamex.com/tool/register.cfm

    Posted by hymes | August 1, 2007, 2:29 pm
  33. Did anyone else get the finger wagging blame the victim email just now? So typical. I reported it as spam.

    Posted by Kitty Glendower | August 1, 2007, 2:48 pm
  34. Yes Kitty, I’m still getting them.

    Posted by sparklematrix | August 1, 2007, 3:00 pm
  35. It’s funny how men will claim forever that pornography is harmless but whenever they want to intimidate or silence women out comes the pornography and the sexual insults.

    Yeah. What’s so discouraging to me that women will also claim up and down it’s harmless, even when it’s so blatantly used against us. As if images and language exist as nothing more than discrete, innocuous things without any context.

    Posted by Amber | August 1, 2007, 3:39 pm
  36. Be very sure, I will avail myself of every conceivable remedy against these men, including legal remedies. I’ve sued pricks before, and won, big time. I have no problem suing pricks again, any chance I get.

    Women, make sure you save (sorry! But we need to!) everything which evidences the harm these men have done to us. This is very important.

    Mary Sunshine, I don’t mean these guys are to be pitied in the sense of, “I feel sorry for them,” more like, somewhere along the way, whatever humanity they might have had, they lost. I think they are to be pitied in the sense that all abusers and terrorists are to be pitied– from a very, very far and safe distance, while suing their asses off and bringing criminal charges against them if necessary and whenever possible and locking them up for life if that’s the only way to keep women and children safe.

    frog, old friend, sniff.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 3:41 pm
  37. As to the defenses of porn and the denial that pornography is hate speech against women, note who is targeted and targeted and targeted. Self-identified feminists who are yay porn? Safe and sound.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 3:44 pm
  38. I think the some of the yay porn feminists get some pretty nasty misogynistic attacks too, Heart, but they are more of the “you sl*t” variety.

    But yeah, we’re a real threat to the MRAs so they go after us in the worst ways.

    Posted by delphyne | August 1, 2007, 3:51 pm
  39. I’m not surprised nor intimidated by their behaviour. I have been subjected to men’s violence all my life, all types of it and I know exactly how and what men and boys feel and think about us. I am only more determined in my course. Each attack only strengthens me. Hope for humanity lies in us.

    Rock on, Danu. I love this. And I believe this with all of my heart.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 3:56 pm
  40. Su: Thanks for this post Heart. You have my wholehearted support. I often remain silent because what I see from my fellow women is what I know and believe but apart from adding that heartfelt “Yes!” I cannot add to it. As to those infantile, disruptive elements; they are puerile and ineffectual. As if such things could intimidate people of such obvious courage and integrity as you, Heart.

    Ah! Now don’t get me crying here, or it’s all over.

    Thank you so much, Su.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 3:58 pm
  41. I have all of their IP addresses. One is from Arkansas, one is from Atlanta, one is from Saskatchewan, there’s a bunch of them. I’ve got all the addresses for their ISPs who will hear from me forthwith. They are coming from a board, and I have the incoming links from that board, as well. All of this stuff? Turned over to authorities.

    I’m sure they’ll hear from my ISP as well, because my ISP’s server was hacked and therefore security there was breached. I’m going to call Harbornet in a few minutes.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 4:02 pm
  42. The upgraded boards will not have a public link. I’ll give the new link to all of you, and then everyone will re-register, but it will be a private, by invitation only board.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 4:03 pm
  43. Heart,

    I’m sad to see this sort of violence happen — and it is definitely intended as violence — but I’m glad you aren’t letting them defeat you.

    Durham in Wonderland linked to my latest post related to media coverage of the Duke case while I was doing the Blogathon last weekend and temporarily had moderation off. The anonymous mob went to town. This morning I deleted a bunch of anonymous posts and set down a challenge. I’d repost their deleted claims if the authors would provide their legal names and phone numbers to be verified.

    I doubt any of those people will be willing to repost their attacks and claims of facts when it could make them legally liable for the words they write.

    Posted by abyss2hope | August 1, 2007, 4:08 pm
  44. Heart,

    The email address that you have for me has been hacked so that I cannot get into it.
    :-(

    This is probably true for several others of us here.

    And I don’t see that it’s possible to figure this out here in this public space for obvious reasons.
    :-(

    Mary

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 4:22 pm
  45. Mary, do you think they also hacked into your membership at IBTP? Because what you described earlier sounds like a banning not that their boards have been hacked. Someone impersonating you could have got you banned.

    Posted by delphyne | August 1, 2007, 4:41 pm
  46. Mary Sunshine, I am going to report your e-mail addresses to google explaining what happened. There is a section under security, not sure whether you can access it, but it’s here:

    https://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?security=1&ctx=security

    These are the options:

    My account has been compromised.

    I’ve received a message that violates the Gmail Terms of Use or Program Policies.

    I’m seeing unlawful pornography or copyrighted material in the Gmail or Google Talk picture feature.
    My security and/or abuse-related issue is not listed here.

    To read the Gmail Terms of Use, please visit: http://mail.google.com/mail/help/terms_of_use.html.

    Anyone with Google e-mail problems, try reporting them using these links. I will report your e-mails to them as well and will explain what happened.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 4:47 pm
  47. Here is where you go to file an Internet Crime Complaint:

    http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/

    Note:

    The IC3 is co-sponsored by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C). Complaints filed via this website are processed and may be referred to federal, state, local or international law enforcement or regulatory agencies for possible investigation. I understand any investigation opened on any complaint I file on this website is initiated at the discretion of the law enforcement and/or regulatory agency receiving the complaint information.

    Filing a complaint with IC3 in no way serves as notification to my credit card company that I am disputing unauthorized charges placed on my card or that my credit card number may have been compromised. I should contact my credit card company directly to notify them of my specific concerns.

    Advisory:
    You are about to file a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center. The confidentiality of the information you provide may be affected by differing state law. As such, we cannot guarantee that your complaint will remain confidential. The complaint information you submit to this site is encrypted via secure socket layer (SSL) encryption. Please see the Privacy Policy for further information.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 4:54 pm
  48. Women: The hackers do have whatever e-mail addresses you posted when you registered. They have only a couple of passwords– Kitty’s, Mary Sunshine’s, and Dakota’s. EVERYBODY should change their passwords.

    And no worries re your confidentiality/privacy, I won’t do anything without running it by you women first (privately).

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 5:43 pm
  49. One reason my own e-mails were spared is, I use all different passwords everywhere, so whatever they may have gotten on the boards didn’t match anything. It’s where people used the same password for the boards and their e-mail that e-mail privacy was breached.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 5:45 pm
  50. Hi Delphyne,

    That whole Twisty board is down.

    I used a different browser (SeaMonkey) that I had not used before to visit the Twisty board, and it gave me the same message addressed to “Guest”.

    Somebody else here may want to confirm that.

    Whoever did it took down both the boards, I figure.

    Mary

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 5:53 pm
  51. That’s weird. I’ve been over to the Twisty boards today, and they seem to be fine. In fact, I just read a comment posted 3 minutes ago.

    Posted by justicewalks | August 1, 2007, 6:01 pm
  52. Heart,

    Thanks for that. :-)

    Yes, I did go into google to report it right away.

    Although … :-( …. I figure that if they got into my account, they also totally effed with all my contacts and email archives while they were there. What chafes me is the loss of the addies of sisters here that have emailed me.

    However, I have used those identities in other places (they took out the addy that I use for my Twisty acct, too.) and would like to be able to continue to use them for the sake of continuity.

    To my sisters here: I’ve emailed Heart from another addy, so I *am* in touch with her again.

    Onward!
    :-D

    Mary

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 6:01 pm
  53. Thanks, JW

    This is really weird. I’ll try walking over to the library and reading as a guest at the Twisty forum.

    The hackers got both my email addresses (maybe from here?) and then somehow sent obscene spam to the Twisty board.

    But still … the spam would not have come from my IP address, but from the hackers.

    Mary

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 6:08 pm
  54. This happened on a couple of boards. Supposedly, the seven men involved have received “long bans.” That helps any of us precisely how?

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 6:12 pm
  55. They are arguing about it. Some of them are really pissed. “See, this proves them right!”

    Yep.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 6:14 pm
  56. I mean, some of the guys are really pissed at the guys who did this. As they should be.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 6:15 pm
  57. Yes, Heart.

    I just don’t have the headroom to remember dozens of different passwords.

    I don’t know what the answer is.

    Y’know … it was really a whole lot better back in the early 70’s when we organized easily locally, used phone numbers and addresses and just saw each other all the time. Plus we were always travelling around, knew where all the women’s lands were, and news of events travelled swiftly by word of mouth. We had so many dead-tree women’s publications it was ridiculous. These also were constantly passed around, along with books and articles and leaflets – they were always sitting around in communal living rooms. We had women’s centres, women’s houses where we shared digs, women’s book stores, cork bulletin boards.

    We had ** NO ** interference from males at that point in the way that we have now with the internet. This whole internet thing feels very very fragile to me. We are material grrrls, not pixels and digital data streams.

    Mary

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 6:18 pm
  58. Y’know … it was really a whole lot better back in the early 70’s when we organized easily locally, used phone numbers and addresses and just saw each other all the time. Plus we were always travelling around, knew where all the women’s lands were, and news of events travelled swiftly by word of mouth. We had so many dead-tree women’s publications it was ridiculous. These also were constantly passed around, along with books and articles and leaflets – they were always sitting around in communal living rooms. We had women’s centres, women’s houses where we shared digs, women’s book stores, cork bulletin boards.

    We had ** NO ** interference from males at that point in the way that we have now with the internet. This whole internet thing feels very very fragile to me. We are material grrrls, not pixels and digital data streams.

    Absolutely. And you know, that world still exists. It’s at Michfest, it’s at Outland, it’s in the offline paper publications that are like the old zines, it’s in the way we communicate, word of mouth. That’s where our power STILL is. That’s why Michigan is SO important, as is RadLesFest, as is Feminist Hullaballoo, as are women’s land. We need that back. I have SO many ideas, plans for that!

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 6:20 pm
  59. Heart !!!!!!! :-D :-D

    Posted by Mary Sunshine | August 1, 2007, 6:23 pm
  60. Do you think we should change our email passwords even if they are different than our board passwords? I got the emails that you all got, and I just thought it was regular spam before I came here.

    I have these dreams sometimes about men invading Michfest, and if I talk about them, my friends tell me I’m just paranoid or crazy. Fuck that. It’s not like I’m super worried about that in my waking life, but look at the lengths men went to trying to intimidate us just because we have separate internet space.

    Posted by weezie | August 1, 2007, 6:25 pm
  61. :D

    You know, I think this is why Fest still does everything by hand.

    Your tickets come in a hand-addressed envelope. Every communication is sent to you hand signed or hand written by a womon at the office. You can’t e-mail Fest. Fest doesn’t e-mail you, except very, very rarely with mass bulletins, like this year’s lineup. I think I’ve gotten two communications like that total over the years. No cell phones or computers are allowed at Fest.

    It really all is a huge protection for us.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 6:25 pm
  62. weezie, I changed my passwords, even though I didn’t need to? Just to be safe. If I were you, I would.

    And yeah, re the lengths men will go to hurt us. :(

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 6:27 pm
  63. Update: ISP is on it. We know what they did. ISP will call when they’ve investigated everything. I will keep everybody posted.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 6:29 pm
  64. Just to let you all know that my email account has been compromised too. It’s a Yahoo account and I can’t get into it. Don’t open anything purporting to be from me till all this is sorted out.

    Thanks Heart, for your resilience.

    Posted by witchy-woo | August 1, 2007, 6:45 pm
  65. I’m so sorry, witchy. :(

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 6:46 pm
  66. looking glass’s yahoo account, too. :(

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 6:46 pm
  67. To the men who disagree with the men who did this. What are you willing to do to make this right? You can comment to this thread, although only I will be reading your comments.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 6:48 pm
  68. Thank you, heart, for everything you’re doing, and I’m so sorry to all the wonderful women here whose email accounts were hijacked. And yeah, those were the same spam emails I got too. Unfortunately, I didn’t save them, gah.

    Onward, indeed!!

    Posted by Melissa | August 1, 2007, 6:52 pm
  69. By the way: surpise sex on that certain site means rape.

    Posted by Danu | August 1, 2007, 6:58 pm
  70. How do you know the ‘hackers’ are male? There are certainly more then enough women versed in topics such as cracking, myself being one of them. I’m not saying what they did was right, or that I was responsible (I would never), but it seems rather wrong use this as an excuse to insult the other sex. You complain about how you get itemized and insulted by males, yet you do the same on right here. I respect female empowerment, but the womens rights movement was for equality, not us over the males. That brings me to my first point, if you truely want equality, why are you blaming males for everything wrong that happens? I know around thirty plus other girls who have the ability to do this if they wanted. It just seems rather unfair that you blame half of the earth for something that anybody from either sex could have done if they put their mind to it. That being said, the ‘hackers’ almost certainly used a proxy, so any location you think they’re from, they’re not. Just thought I’d let you know.

    Posted by Danzig | August 1, 2007, 7:00 pm
  71. On a brighter (hotter?) note, my husband just called to tell me our apartment building is on fire. It hasn’t reached our specific apartment yet and the FD is there so maybe we won’t lose all our stuff.
    One of my most recent post to the boards on Wednesday was about how I am finally learning to take one day at a time and just enjoy each moment.

    I can’t seem to stop laughing :.)

    My husband and I are OK physically and we have places to go and sufficient funds to deal with whatever happens with this so don’t worry, sisters.

    –looking glass

    Posted by looking glass | August 1, 2007, 7:01 pm
  72. Heart, I’m just so sorry (and pissed) that this happened. My e-mail account is fine, but my heart goes out to the womyn who have been violated. I haven’t posted before, but I’ve been a long-time reader both here and at The Margins, and I just wanted to come out of the woodwork and say that you all have my support. And thanks for the song – I love Sinead O’Connor!

    Posted by Ruthann | August 1, 2007, 7:08 pm
  73. Hi Heart and all

    Worry, fear, potential data loss, and actionable behavior on us from men that women birth, raise and support.

    I had two e-mails from the source mentioned, Thomas and his sister Katie. {rolling eyes}. I didn’t open them. I trashed them so they’re gone.

    I didn’t have my e-mail address in the Margins forum, Heart, unless you were storing it somewhere. I had:

    youknowit@email.com

    I suspect they were using our ISP numbers.

    Posted by Sis | August 1, 2007, 7:09 pm
  74. What men? Where? Where are there men claiming this is awful?

    T.I.A!

    Posted by Kitty Glendower | August 1, 2007, 7:11 pm
  75. Danzig, I know they’re men because I know exactly who they are. I’ve read all the places they discussed doing this, I read the responses once the deed had been done. I could do all this because I had their incoming links to this blog. Not very smart. They are 100 percent male.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 7:14 pm
  76. Danzig, fuck off, just fuck the hell off.

    “WHAT ABOUT THE MENZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ”

    Posted by Kitty Glendower | August 1, 2007, 7:18 pm
  77. Aww Kitty you beat me to it. I was just waiting for the repetitive *eye roll* to subside so I could focus on my key board.

    Posted by sparklematrix | August 1, 2007, 7:23 pm
  78. “I had two e-mails from the source mentioned, Thomas and his sister Katie. {rolling eyes}. I didn’t open them. I trashed them so they’re gone.

    I didn’t have my e-mail address in the Margins forum, Heart, unless you were storing it somewhere. I had:

    youknowit@email.com

    I suspect they were using our ISP numbers.”

    I think they got some people’s e-mail addresses because they managed to hack into certain e-mail accounts and picked up their address books. I got an e-mail from the twits calling me a feminazi (v. original) which was a response to an earlier e-mail I’d sent to someone from the Margins.

    Posted by delphyne | August 1, 2007, 7:24 pm
  79. “Not very smart. They are 100 percent male.”

    Snort. Sorry, this juxtaposition is just too funny.

    Posted by Melissa | August 1, 2007, 7:33 pm
  80. Danzig, perhaps if you didn’t have such a creative way of spelling “truly”, and didn’t use it so often, you would be more convincing pretending to be a woman rather than the misogynist POS you really are.

    Posted by Melissa | August 1, 2007, 7:40 pm
  81. Grrr. It’s times like this that make me want a women-only *internet*

    I got that “for all you life loving ladies” email, though I deleted it, unfortunately. It didn’t occur to me that we might need it. If they sent me anything else, it’s been lost in the spam filter. I’ll save anything else I do get.

    Posted by keen | August 1, 2007, 7:42 pm
  82. i got a couple of emails sent to me but my email address seems safe.

    Posted by v | August 1, 2007, 7:46 pm
  83. I also got the two emails already mentioned. I haven’t deleted them yet; they are being stored in my junk mail folder at the moment. It looks like my email address is fine (changed the password anyways) and I changed the email and password for my paypal account as well. I also use a different password for everything. What complete asshats. Asshats isn’t strong enough.

    And Danzig, really. Men get blamed a lot here because MEN DO THESE THINGS THE MOST. Sure there are women who have the know-how to hack message boards. How many of them would tho? And how many would posting such deeply racist and sexist crap? I mean really. 97% of sexual assault perps are MEN. In Canada, 30% of women will experience domestic violence in their lifetimes. *30%* And the over OVER whelming percentage of perps is, again, MEN.

    WE ARE NOT BLAMING MEN FOR EVERYTHING

    We are blaming men FOR WHAT THEY DO.

    Posted by Cinder | August 1, 2007, 8:22 pm
  84. Quick update- our apartment is OK and we even have the power back on now.

    –looking glass

    Posted by looking glass | August 1, 2007, 9:03 pm
  85. YAY!

    Gee, sorry, looking glass, I meant to comment on your apartment building fire and did NOT. I’m so glad everything is okay!

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 1, 2007, 9:13 pm
  86. I got the one email but not the other. I have it if you need it, Heart. I hadn’t emptied the trash yet. And, thankfully, my passwords are all different.

    Cowards, all of them. Women-hating cowards.

    I don’t know how anyone else does it but I have a password-protected spreadsheet now where I keep all my login information. I keep a copy on my pc, one on the backup disc I rarely make, one on my pc at work… I send a copy once in awhile to my sister… so the chances of losing the file are very small. For me it’s a much smaller risk than losing all the information that no longer comes easily to the front of my brain.

    JJ

    Posted by JJ | August 1, 2007, 9:22 pm
  87. Just to let you all know – I’ve got my email account back. Woohoo!

    Wiped clean, of course – all my contacts gone – but the “for all you life-loving ladies” mail from (name edited just to be careful– contact Heart if you have questions) is in there, unopened. You can have it if you need it Heart – just let me know.

    Posted by witchy-woo | August 1, 2007, 10:05 pm
  88. Oh, and good news about your apartment looking glass. What a relief for you!

    Posted by witchy-woo | August 1, 2007, 10:05 pm
  89. Yeah, looking glass, such good news! *phew* fires freak me out :-(

    I also have the location of one of the images they left, if you need it Heart- tho I’m not sure if it will offer any real information.

    Posted by Cinder | August 1, 2007, 10:09 pm
  90. I want to put this here under this heading THE WAY MEN HATE YOU, even though it’s a bit further on the continuum of harassing, threatening and stalking women; this extended to little girls. More frightening and harassing behaviour from MEN on the internet, doing what they think they can do with impunity. They would be wrong.

    ##

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/08/01/qc-

    pedophile0801.html

    Pedophile website promotes Montreal Children’s Festival

    Montreal police are investigating a website that recommends pedophiles attend the city’s popular children’s summer festival to watch little girls.

    The website bills itself as a place to “celebrate the splendor of watching little girls.”

    It lists several child-centred events across North America, including Montreal’s Fête des enfants, an annual August festival for children and families.

    The site gives the festival a five-heart rating, describing it as an event where “there are always plenty of little girls.”

    ##

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/08/01/

    qc-pedophile0801.html

    Quebec police find missing girl’s bicycle
    Intensive search efforts launched Tuesday night after 9-year-old disappeared
    Last Updated: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 | 5:51 PM ET
    CBC News

    Quebec provincial police said Wednesday they’ve recovered a Norco bike belonging to nine-year-old Cédrika Provencher, who disappeared Tuesday night in Trois-Rivières while looking for a missing dog.

    Police found her grey and white bicycle behind a garbage dumpster on Dubé Street, about two kilometres from where she was last seen riding her bike alone at about 8 p.m. ET Tuesday night.

    Posted by Sis | August 1, 2007, 10:19 pm
  91. Looking glass, I’m pleased that you are okay but I hope that there are no serious casualties. I used to nurse on a regional burns unit and I still have a horror of injuries by fire.

    Posted by sparklematrix | August 1, 2007, 10:21 pm
  92. I’m sorry to hear about this and that some of you had your e-mail accounts breached in that way.

    Posted by Arantxa | August 1, 2007, 10:22 pm
  93. Just in case some men’s rights advocate like DANZIG is looking for ways the little girl would be at fault for her own disappearance; it’s stunning bright daylight at this time of year until 10 p.m. at the Trois Riviere latitude.

    Posted by Sis | August 1, 2007, 10:58 pm
  94. Just wanted to chime in saying this makes me sick. Glad to know these idiots didn’t have anything more important to do with their time.

    Posted by gingermiss | August 1, 2007, 10:58 pm
  95. How come these male vigilante website hackers haven’t shut down that pedo’s website?

    Or any pedo website?

    Ever heard of anything like that?

    Posted by Sis | August 1, 2007, 11:19 pm
  96. well the way i see it, this takes us one step backward in fighting the man.
    where im from people dont tolerate this kind of thing.
    they really need to tone down the disrespect.

    Posted by missyL | August 1, 2007, 11:29 pm
  97. I also have the “life loving ladies” email in my junk folder if you need it, Heart.

    Posted by Branjor | August 2, 2007, 12:00 am
  98. Wow. Busy, busy buttheads.

    Posted by Pramiti | August 2, 2007, 12:04 am
  99. I used the same password on this account as I use for yahoo mail, so I could not access my mail. I changed password, spammed the email before I read your site. Dug it out of spam list and reported it to yahoo, including the info that your site was hacked to get it.
    I’m sorry you are getting so much irritation form these little wannabe Jabba the Huts.

    Posted by thebewilderness | August 2, 2007, 1:05 am
  100. Heart, I know from a legal perspective that in the past couple of years new internet laws have been placed about harassment. If the e mail is intended to harass (obviously) then you can file charges. Women have won this in court in cases of stalkers and internet abusers.

    Posted by Kiuku | August 2, 2007, 1:18 am
  101. It’s amazing how men get so angry where they know they are rejected. This is like that real stupid man who harassed the lesbians and got stabbed and then brought -them- to court, because we all know he is entitled to harass anything that rejects him and his penis counterparts.

    Posted by Kiuku | August 2, 2007, 1:22 am
  102. Well, here’s one male who is appalled — but not surprised, especially with such recent events as the law school admits board abuse and harassment of women law students that Feministe and others reported on.

    I’m glad that you appear to know what to do in this situation. I’m sorry to hear about all of the breaches involving individual WS/TM users, though. Incidentally, I believe that in addition to the harassment laws Kiuku mentioned there are also (at least in CA) laws against unauthorized access and damage to computers, which might cover what happened here.

    I’m almost certainly not a member of whatever boards these asshats came from (I’m not even a member of your board, just a blog reader), but I’d be curious if there’s any way I can help.

    best wishes,
    Mike

    Posted by Mike | August 2, 2007, 2:32 am
  103. Good question, Sis. When are men going to dedicate themselves to closing down pedophile sites, rape porn sites, torture porn sites?

    Thanks, Kiuku and Mike, much appreciated.

    UPDATE

    The boards are being repaired, we know how to fix them. Our ISP backed them up recently, so even if we lost stuff, we can get it back, we know how to make sure this doesn’t happen again, we’ll be up and running… hmm. Tomorrow? Optimistically?

    I apologize if your comment goes into moderation when it didn’t before. I had to go through and blacklist *lots* of IP addresses, etc., and that means some of you might end up in the spam queue. Please SAVE your comments if they are any longer than a couple of sentences and then let me know if they just go “poof” and you don’t see the “Your comment is awaiting moderation” message.

    This is what they did to BB. :”””””””( Ah, BB.

    This is why she stopped writing.

    And I just interviewed her about that. The interview will be in the next issue of Off Our Backs, which goes out imminently.

    Now it’s me.

    We can’t let them do this to us, BB. We just can’t.

    The boards will be up and running in no time, better than before, secure.

    Thanks for the encouragement and support.

    xxxooo

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 2, 2007, 3:50 am
  104. Everyone else here said it better than me: I hope these fuckers are caught and given every punishment they deserve. X(

    Posted by Chloe | August 2, 2007, 5:51 am
  105. I also got the mass email from kidfiddelz, and still have it. My password was not one I use anywhere else, so aside from the horror of watching the hackers in action, I apparently escaped unscathed. I saved one screen shot. By the time I regained the presence of mind to do that, my browser was acting so oddly I had to close it, in fear of getting a virus. These guys so roundly deserve what is coming to them, if there is a law that can touch them.

    Posted by Aletha | August 2, 2007, 6:36 am
  106. Heart – I am so sorry this happened to you, I wish I could help out in some way. Tho coming in late (as usual! *sigh*) it sounds like you now have it all under control :)

    I probably received the e-mails in question, (the title does sound vaguely familiar) but I have a heavy-duty spam filter at my ISP’s server end – only addies on my “friendly” list are passed, everything else is “held mail” on the ISP mail-server. Every couple of days or so, I just scan down the address list of the server’s “held mail” for any ‘friendly’ address that I recognise, and the rest is just one-clicked & sent for bulk auto-rejection by my ISP. (Probably dissed some ‘friendlies’ I never knew about too!!) Though everything is logged by the ISP in full detail, its only held on server logfile for a month or so before being dumped. I rarely go into those detailed server-logs – so please let me know if you need more evidence or whatever, and I will check my logs for you?

    Just another thought tho, for whatever its worth. I also have secure web-server space & domain, (a gift from some who owe me *big-time*, looong story) but in recent years, I just don’t have much time (long hours & travel in day-job etc) or much energy/interest to do anything with it myself, or at least not all by myself – so it just sits there empty gathering dust, but I’m comfy with allowing it to be used/admin’d by others for a worthy radfem cause, if alternative safe (& free) space is needed the offer is there. Cheers, Rain:)

    Posted by Rain | August 2, 2007, 9:31 am
  107. Just a PS: I have found the two identified e-mails on my mail-server logs, but no content left – just the time-stamp, title, IP address etc

    Posted by Rain | August 2, 2007, 10:36 am
  108. [qoute]I’m almost certainly not a member of whatever boards these asshats came from… [/quote]

    and since my posts don’t seem to get approved you never will know where they came from….

    I don’t know if it’s because of this websites policy to protect the names of other websites (even thought it’s pretty much common knowledge AND EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET KNOWS that “the /b/tards” are a bunch of moral-less losers with no shame that regard nothing as sacred)

    Posted by Ole Kristian | August 2, 2007, 11:53 am
  109. I loved that space, Heart, and I loved the discussions we were all having. When I read about what had happened I got really angry and just wanted to swear a lot. Which would not have been terribly productive. So I waited till I calmed down but now I just haven’t got anything to say. Except thank you so much for creating that space. Thank you for refusing to give up. Thank you for cleaning up all the shit men keep pouring on you and us, just because we have the capacity to exist and dream and resist. When you have the new boards up and running, I’ll be there and we will continue to exist and dream and resist and we will keep on dreaming and resisting until male supremacy is a distant memory. Because nothing is more precious and necessary to us than ourSelves. And once we begin to have a grip on ourSelves there isn’t anything that they can do to us that is worse than letting go.

    Posted by allecto | August 2, 2007, 12:55 pm
  110. This is infuriating but not surprising. I don’t know the right word for the deep, knowing rage I feel when men once again show their hate and their determination to dominate us. I’ve felt it since I was a child hiding in the closet as my father rampaged through the house.

    It’s a cold anger and an iron-hard resolve to survive and protect myself and my sisters no matter what it takes. Even if it means smiling now and escaping later, we get our revenge.

    You’re right, Heart, it’s our strength that most threatens them. They know we’re stronger than they are, and those of us who don’t hide our strength to placate them get slapped down. You are an example of strength and wisdom. They fear you.

    I don’t pity them, though I understand that sentiment; they are pathetic, and their hate makes them unloveable. Like my father, they will probably die alone and detested.

    We love and are loved, and we will survive.

    Posted by roamaround | August 2, 2007, 12:59 pm
  111. I haven’t checked my email in a couple of days. I just checked my accounts last night and this morning and yeah, I’ve got squirrels in the chimney too. One account I’ve only used like 6 times. There’s only 2 or 3 people I’ve emailed from it. So I can narrow it more down.

    I’ve hacked emails before so I know changing one’s password isn’t going to do much good. No worries. I’ve never done it maliciously. I’ve only done it for family and friends who forget their password. It’s a very simple thing to do, is my point. Because people forget their passwords all the time. I won’t post how it’s done, less I give anyone else lurking out there any bright ideas.

    I’m a government employee so these clowns have inadvertently vandalized government property at both a state and federal level. Hmmm…. what does the government do to hackers? They confiscate their computers and ban them for life from ever using a computer again. Nice going, boys. **chuckle** Hope the way you make your living isn’t by using a computer. Cuz I’ll be reporting this to my supervisor this morning.

    Posted by Luckynkl | August 2, 2007, 1:46 pm
  112. mAndrea here.

    My yahoo account is safe, for anyone who needs to know. I did receive porn from someone else’s hacked email, though.

    You all are going to think my opinion is a little odd, but I’m going to say it anyway.

    Things like this make me happy, NOT because of the extra work and frustration for Hearrrt and others, but because this PROVES men hate us, and women will never be safe until we live in a world of our own.

    Their own actions convict them.

    Please name the board who sent these perverts.

    Let us sue the owner of the board who encourages terrorists.

    I will help, donate $$$, whatever. Civil court, please — we get triple damages that way. Forum members have been emotionally traumatized and more than an apology is justified. This harrassemnt will continue until the board owner who encourages terrorism is forced to pay a price he considers too high.

    In addition, I demand free access to his site for feminists to combat the hate he so freely allows.

    Do not let this go with a mere apology, Hearrrt. Only a “lady” takes abuse lying down, and that is why men have brainwashed women into being “ladies”; so that we will consider “charity and forgiveness” the only appropiate response when they hate us. This brainwashing benefits THEM.

    Posted by feminazi | August 2, 2007, 2:11 pm
  113. P.S. As a government employee, I’m required to change my password at least once a month. Many places ask that you change your password weekly. That keeps most of the riff raff out. But again, a hacker/cracker doesn’t need a password to reset it. All he needs is your email address. Which is why changing passwords won’t do a whole lot of good.

    Change your email address. You can have multiple accounts at yahoo, google, hotmail, etc… Differentiate the email you receive from each blog or board you visit. Have a separate account for each. That way you’ll be able to figure out in a jiffy where the attack is coming from and can simply change out that email address. Always keep an email address you don’t email anyone from. Just use it for business. Like for ebay or paypal. And have one just for family and in real life friends. I know having all these email accounts can be a pain, but it’ll thwart hackers and protect your private information. Just directly access these accounts. Don’t access them from other accounts.

    Posted by Luckynkl | August 2, 2007, 2:12 pm
  114. P.P.S. For those that can’t access their email, the hackers have reset your password. Just go to your email account and and click on where it says, “forget your password?” and reset the password. I think google accounts send the info to your cellphone. Other accounts will send the new password to the other email address you gave them when you signed up for the account.

    Hope that helps.

    Posted by Luckynkl | August 2, 2007, 2:31 pm
  115. They hacked not only my gmail and hotmail accounts, but got in my WoW account and left my character naked and penniless. I thought I had a vulnerability on my work or home computer….and it was my birthday yesterday, so I thought it was specifically directed at me. I’m actually a little relieved that this is where they got me from.

    I had suspicions when I got a nasty anti-feminist email on my gmail account. I wouldn’t have known they’d hacked that account too, if they hadn’t forwarded stuff to my son that they presumed I didn’t want him seeing.

    Posted by Odanu | August 2, 2007, 3:31 pm
  116. lost in moderation queue? I was hacked…. 2 email accounts and my WoW account (same password, dang it). I had thought it was personal after seeing the email, since the 1st was my birthday. What can I do to help? I’ve already deleted the email, damnit, but Blizzard will be helping me to track down the person who hacked my game account, so maybe that will be something.

    Posted by Odanu | August 2, 2007, 3:57 pm
  117. Or just make your password in Cree. :)

    Posted by Sis | August 2, 2007, 4:37 pm
  118. Hey, Feminazi/MAndrea :). There are a couple boards which are responsible, links broken, please copy and paste into your browser instead of sending them traffic from here. This one:

    TRIGGERING. MAY NOT BE SAFE FOR WORK. VIOLENT, MISOGYNIST, RACIST, CLASSIST, SEXIST, LESBOPHOBIC, HOMOPHOBIC CONTENT.

    Really bad, so take care.

    http://www.not 420chan.com/i/2.html

    And this one, which is not AS bad as the one above, but it is still bad.

    http://forums. offtopic.com/

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 2, 2007, 5:43 pm
  119. Someone, male, sent me the real life name and telephone number of the owner of one of these sites. So that was nice.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 2, 2007, 5:44 pm
  120. This one, too:

    Not as bad as the others, still bad.

    http://forums. somethingawful.com/

    Posted by womensspace | August 2, 2007, 5:48 pm
  121. These guys are fucking sick. Okay, we knew that already. But I always think that it can’t get any sicker… and then they show me that it can.

    Posted by Laurelin | August 2, 2007, 7:57 pm
  122. Yes, it is like when this one man couldn’t get his way to open up a misogynistic “hair dressing” studio with bikini clad women (I assume to service men)..when the community wouldn’t go for it, he protests with porn…across the street from an elementary school. Of course it is just pornographic images of women that he protests with. Of course he must be the victim. Sickos.

    “The owner of the now empty building, commonly referred to as the Mirrored House, put female mannequins on display in the window.

    “One day, he’ll put the tops on the mannequins. The next day, he’ll just take them down,” said neighbor Arnold Herbst.

    Herbst lives in the neighborhood and said the women are often placed in different sexual positions. He said it’s always a steamy scene that’s getting him and other neighbors very heated.

    “Pornographic, there is no need for it,” he said.

    “It’s a terrible sight, especially when you got to walk the kids. You got to take their heads and turn them away,” Herbst said.

    David Douthitt, who owns the house, was trying to make the place a hair salon with a bikini-clad staff, calling it a clip joint, not a strip joint.

    “I plan on having a beautiful staff of ladies in designer swimwear kind of theme with the beach town we are,” he said in a 2006 interview.

    But the salon never opened. Douthitt couldn’t get the proper permits and neighbors complained that they didn’t want that type of business in their neighborhood.

    “Since it’s been going through the courts, since it’s been going through a bunch of stupidity, he’s taking it out on the neighborhood,” Herbst said.

    Douthitt said he feels railroaded by both the city and his neighborhood. He said he was trying to open a legitimate business and he wasn’t allowed. He said the displays are his way of protesting. “

    Posted by Kiuku | August 2, 2007, 11:45 pm
  123. Just checking in to let everyone know I’m okay. My Yahoo account was not hacked, but I have a different password for it. I do use the same password on many different boards, but I have my share of enemies from mommy boards and other places that are not Feminist-friendly, so I chose a new, special username when I signed up on the Margins to protect you all and wound up protecting myself instead.

    I am not at all surprised by what happened but am greatly appreciative to know for sure and to know more about the details of the attack.

    Heart, I am so sorry you have to deal with this mess and once again, my limited computer-savviness pales in comparison to Lucky’s.

    The boards have always been a very special refuge for me and I have just been soaking up all of the recent activity and loving to meet the new members. The boards were a safe place for me to land when I was in crisis and I found nothing but comfort, sympathy, and gentle instruction on looking at my situation in a different and more realistic and productive manner than self-blame.

    If there is anything at all I can do to help, please let me know.

    Posted by anonymom | August 3, 2007, 3:07 am
  124. Holy shit Heart, this is awful. It really does prove that we’re right when we talk about how much men hate us and the lengths they’ll go to destroy us — women who they don’t even know. This reminds me of some horrible, horrible shit that an ex-friend of mine did back in high school when we were all first getting e-mail and the Internet. He broke into one girl’s e-mail account and changed her signature to something offensive, tried to break into mine and didn’t succeed, so he started an account in the name of a guy he hated and sent me rape threats that looked like they came from his enemy, and finally, worst of all, he used a cracker program to send an e-mail that looked like it was from my best friend and sent it to everyone on her mailing list. It was a suicide note. Yes, you read that right . He sent all her friends and some teachers a fake suicide note that looked like it was from her. Most telling of all, all three of us were friends of his and had done nothing to hurt him.

    So yes, men do, indeed, hate us. And thank you so much, Heart, for being so strong and never giving up and always speaking the truth no matter what, and for being a true fighter for freedom, unlike these men who silence us at all costs and then accuse us of censorship when we so much as criticize them.

    OK, now I’m going to go watch that Sinead O’Connor video, which I am extremely excited about. I love Sinead so much I can’t even put it into words. :)

    Posted by mekhit | August 3, 2007, 4:18 am
  125. Oh, also, I know a lot of people here aren’t huge fans, but I find it interesting that Melissa McEwan’s Shakesville website has also been down for some time now. I think it’s the second time in a month or two that it’s happened, and it always happens after she posts something about rape or misogny. So yeah, a feminist’s website was hacked by the very same shitstains who whine about feminists wanting to censor everything. And there are still tons of idiots out there who say that women who blog don’t face any greater harassment than men….

    Posted by mekhit | August 3, 2007, 4:27 am
  126. Sexual harrassement is illegal precisely because it causes harm. It doesn’t matter if it takes place at work, at home, on the street, or on the internet.

    We said men suck, AND THEY PROVED US RIGHT.

    We said men are assholes, AND THEY PROVED US RIGHT.

    We said men cannot be trusted, AND THEY PROVED US RIGHT.

    Posted by feminazi | August 3, 2007, 4:40 am
  127. Heart, are those all of the sites you know were responsible? Did you not find any traces from meat spin . com? If they were not involved, I must have been hallucinating!

    Posted by Aletha | August 3, 2007, 4:43 am
  128. Aletha, I won’t be sure all of what’s what until I have time to go through everything, but thanks to everybody who saved off e-mails, threads, names, information, much appreciated. The boards are operational again, but we’ve lost some stuff and I want to take a good look one more time tomorrow morning when I am lucid before I reactivate them. We will have to rebuild. Some really important herstory is gone, but we can capture a lot of it cached on Google.

    It’s interesting– specifically targeted were the Chararchy, very specifically the Tall Julie thread. Also specifically targeted were Amy’s Brain’s comments and the Motherhood thread. I’m shot, though, haven’t had a lot of time to really look at everything. I was just able to get onto the boards to actually work on them myself tonight.

    Anyway, progress. :)

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 3, 2007, 7:11 am
  129. Commenter @ 128, I find your pseudonym very offensive.

    Posted by Arantxa | August 3, 2007, 7:43 am
  130. Arantxa, 128 is mAndrea. I know what you’re saying, I’m just letting you know who it actually is.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 3, 2007, 7:50 am
  131. I had the “life loving ladies” email in my junk folder and now it is GONE. I did not delete it, it is just gone! What gives with that, I wonder?

    Posted by Branjor | August 3, 2007, 11:02 am
  132. I guess Heart’s spambot must find mAndrea’s pseudonym offensive too. Now.

    Because I’ve got a post in mod with that word in it in another thread.

    Let’s just keep our cannon pointed outward.

    Posted by Sis | August 3, 2007, 3:52 pm
  133. If anyone has that e-mail, do page save. In Firefox, go to File, Save Page As, Web page HTML only, Save.

    But also Branjor, some spam folders, trash and Bulk bins empty at intervals.

    Posted by Sis | August 3, 2007, 5:27 pm
  134. I saved a screen shot of my inbox in case the saboteurs try to hack back in and disappear the evidence.

    Here are the instructions for how to do that:

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/tips/screenshot.mspx

    Posted by looking glass | August 3, 2007, 6:41 pm
  135. Women, if you can, save EVERYTHING related to this. Save it onto your hard drive– threads, web pages, e-mails, everything you can save.

    Thanks,

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 3, 2007, 7:47 pm
  136. Absolutely essential: SAVE FULL HEADERS IN OPEN E-MAIL

    You MUST save FULL HEADERS. It’s no enough to do a screen shot of your inbox, or the open e-mail even, if it’s not with FULL HEADERS.

    This tells where the e-mail originated Awhat path it followed to get to you. If it was routed, the routing cos will be served a warrant for identifying information.

    go to options in your e-mail host
    set for full headers.
    save
    open the e-mail and check that you have a long, approx or more, 6 inches of headers above the e-mail text and pix.
    do a screen save as directed for IE or Firefox whichever you use.

    The FULL HEADERS are what the police and ISPs will need. Without that… .

    You don’t need to figure out how to read the headers, just get them.

    Posted by Sis | August 3, 2007, 8:20 pm
  137. Wow, I am brand new here as of today. I found this site through the story of Heart’s involvement in homeschooling.

    This site is something I have needed, and I plan on being a regular. I grew up homeschooled, in a family that sat in the on the fence between of “unschooling” and “fundamentalism”. Unfortunately my parents think they have failed at homeschooling because I do not toe their religious line any longer. I would contend they succeded, but they don’t know what to do with me.

    I went to college and got a degree in engineering, and even though they pressured me into the engineering field, I don’t think my mom actually ever expected me to use the degree. I now live over 1000 miles away from them (with my multi-racial boyfriend) and am the family heathen.

    I have a feeling that womensspace is going to be a balm for my bruised (but intact) soul.

    Heart, I would greatly appreciate an invite to your new forum, once it gets up and running. Due to your current comprimised security situation I’m not sure where else to ask for an invitation.

    Best of luck in resolving the situation, and it is wonderful to meet all of you,

    A.J. (BannaOj)

    Posted by BannaOj | August 3, 2007, 8:21 pm
  138. Female Fem Nazi Willllllliiiiiessss 07/07/31(Tue)14:30 No.29422

    Jesus christ, theses ugly dykes are crazy as hell, we should harass them

    “my son looks at porn now hes 13, i wish i would aborted him, i cant believe he likes it after everything iv tried to teach him” etc etc

    http://www.womensspace.org/cgi-bin/dcboard.cgi

    Get em lads

    >>
    Willllllliiiiiessss 07/07/31(Tue)14:31

    No.29427
    ok

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)14:38

    No.29442
    I was going to sage the OP, until I read this.

    I spent the weekend fixing a co-worker’s computer. She had heard through the grapevine that I fix women’s computers for free. That’s cuz it drives me bugshit the way men exploit women. And sure enough, some guy wanted to charge her $100 just to look at it when the cable company couldn’t hook her up, even tho they wound up sending 4 guys over to try and figure it out. Thoughts of “how many men does it take to screw in a lightbulb” started running through my head. When they were through, it still didn’t work, and wouldn’t boot up at all without going right into the blue screen of death and that’s when my co-worker came to me.
    I saw right away what the problem was. The guy that had sold her the computer had given her an illegal copy of Windows XP. Asshole. There was no ethernet port to be seen on the computer so the cable company tried to hook her up via usb. Well, in order for a high speed cable modem to work, the computer must be running usb 2.0. She was only running 1.1. She had a utility disk from the motherboard manufacturer to install the usb 2.0 driver but I figured out real quick the manufacturer was full of it. It wasn’t a usb 2.0 driver. The manufacturer just wanted you to install the usb 2.0 driver by updating Windows with SP1 or 2. Which posed a problem. Because Microsoft is not going to update an illegal copy of Windows XP.

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)14:39

    No.29443
    Well, I never let a little thing like that stop me. So I wiped the 2 hard drives clean, reinstalled Windows and tried using my XP Professional upgrade disks to bypass it. No go. Microsoft wasn’t buying it. But I saw something odd. When I installed XP, it kept discovering an ethernet port and began installing a network. I searched again for an ethernet port. None could be seen so I said, “WTF?” There had to be one somewhere. So I took the computer apart and voila, there it was. The guy that had installed the motherboard in the case had never punched out the hole for the ethernet port so it wasn’t visible. So I dismantled the insides, took out the motherboard and punched out the hole. Voila. We now had an ethernet port. Which is much better and faster than usb. I put it all back together, plugged in the ethernet cable and voila, within seconds, we had internet access and all was well in Lucky land.

    My co-worker jumped up and down screaming and clapping her hands with delight. That in itself was worth all my time and trouble. She thought it was hilarious that I could do what a half dozen professional men couldn’t do. And what’s more, I did it for free. She told me, “You’re in the wrong business, baby. Do you know how much money you could be making?” And I said, nah, I’m not in it for the money. I do it because I like doing it. I’d starve to death if I did it for a living. Cuz I’d give away all my services to women free. She asked why. Does it have anything to do with that? She had spied the radical feminist tattoo on my upper arm. I just winked and smiled and said, yeah, it goes something like that.

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)14:40

    No.29446
    I do not ever mention the word feminism unless I know the person I’m speaking with is a feminist. It really is the “F” word to the general public and nothing will turn a person on you faster. So I don’t mention it. I just do it. What I call random acts of feminism. And women will fall right in step with me as long as I don’t mention the “F” word. So who needs to mention the word? chuckle

    My co-worker is going to take my daughter, Stillwater and I out to dinner at my favorite seafood buffet in exchange for my services. That, in my opinion, is much better than cash. I’m not talking about the food (altho that certainly is icing on the cake). I’m talking about women giving of themselves and their time (which women have so little of these days) and their friendship. It makes a statement. And that’s what really makes the world go ’round, in my opinion, baby.

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)14:40

    No.29447
    In the meanwhile, women are starting to line up for my services. But that’s ok. That’s how it all starts. One woman at a time. Pass it on. Viva la feminism! But shhhhh… don’t mention what it is. wink

    Not sure if it is raid worthy, but that is an EPIC pasta.

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)14:42

    No.29450
    >>29442
    >>29443
    how does a woman know what technology is?

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)14:45

    No.29460
    >>29450
    Thoughts of “how many men does it take to screw in a lightbulb” started running through my head. When they were through, it still didn’t work, and wouldn’t boot up at all without going right into the blue screen of death and that’s when my co-worker came to me.
    I saw right away what the problem was. The guy that had sold her the computer had given her an illegal copy of Windows XP. Asshole.

    She doesn’t understand it, lol.

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)14:45

    No.29463
    >>29446

    >My co-worker is going to take my daughter, Stillborn

    fix’d

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)14:47

    No.29469
    Failure abounds in this forum undoubtedly, but what should we do about it? Flood the forum? Post gore and rape pics? DDoS them? Some sort of combination thereof?

    >>
    Willllllliiiiiessss 07/07/31(Tue)14:49

    No.29475
    EXACTLY, RAID YOU FAGS!

    >>
    Willllllliiiiiessss 07/07/31(Tue)14:51

    No.29481
    pfft, i dont know, you guys are the pro’s, how about posting loads of wierd degrading female porn, as well as gore, see what happens

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)14:53

    No.29484
    >>29481 Shut the fuck up, and never post on our boards again.

    This could be a fun raid, so something might happen, but if you keep faggin’ our place up, legion will be aiming for you instead.

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)14:56

    No.29493
    Porn + gore image raid FTW

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)15:03

    No.29500
    lol, “anonymom”

    http://www.womensspace.org/Feminist_Motherhood/167.html

    i say raid

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)15:19

    No.29532
    Download your degrading porn and man your accounts, it’s time for spam.

    +1 point for every degraded women
    +2 for every aborted fetus
    +20 for both at once

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)15:43

    No.29578
    >>29500

    >I hate the way the computer has made pornography readily available to anyone who owns one. I just hate it. Have you considered putting filters of some kind on the computer? Net Nanny is pretty good
    >…
    >Cost is $39.95. I know you are very low income– I’m betting the amazing wyms here would be willing to take up a collection for you?

    lol wut, shittiest fundraiser ever.

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)20:49

    No.30036
    Is it working?

    >>
    sage 07/07/31(Tue)21:06

    No.30048
    Looks like someone failed as a parent:

    http://www.womensspace.org/Feminist_Motherhood/182.html

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)21:11

    No.30058
    bump for organization

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)21:37

    No.30089
    Actually reading that shit i wanna raid /r/ images to raid with

    >>
    Anonymous 07/07/31(Tue)21:40

    No.30091
    FAIL:
    If you would like to register for Women’s Space to be part of our women’s community, feel free to e-mail us at womensspace.admin@gmail.com. We have had to deactivate the regular registration feature for the time being because we are being harrassed by men’s right’s trolls,

    ****

    Posted by womensspace | August 3, 2007, 8:33 pm
  139. Anonymous 07/08/01(Wed)22:50 No.31934

    If any of you /i/nsurgents are willing to pull yourselves away from your Wuoraids, /b/ has just found a very eligible target:

    http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/the-way-men-hate-us/

    Basically, a bunch of feminazis were attacked by some unknown internet trolls (likely originating from /b/) and are all riled up. Enjoy.

    >>
    Anonymous 07/08/01(Wed)22:54 No.31945

    I vote someone posts the rape is AWESOME! copypasta and signs it Alex Wuroi or ebaums

    >>
    Anonymous 07/08/01(Wed)22:59 No.31961

    Haha, this was done by us. Bump for reaping lulz.

    >>
    Anonymous 07/08/01(Wed)23:02 No.31967

    >>31945
    done

    >>
    Anonymous 07/08/01(Wed)23:03 No.31970

    >>31961 delete this post please we need to play low key on this and I think I see wuroiaids in the making

    >>
    Anonymous 07/08/01(Wed)23:07 No.31978

    comments aren’t appearing?

    >>
    Anonymous 07/08/01(Wed)23:08 No.31982

    They have to be moderated

    >>
    Anonymous 07/08/01(Wed)23:13 No.31995

    >>31982 uh oh

    >>
    sage sage 07/08/01(Wed)23:15 No.32001

    sage

    >>
    Anonymous 07/08/01(Wed)23:48 No.32093

    >>31995

    Why does that matter? Stupid bitch still has to read through the crap to find comments made by her precious users.

    >>
    Anonymous 07/08/02(Thu)00:30 No.32196

    Phish the wordpress account!

    >>
    Anonymous 07/08/02(Thu)00:33 No.32205

    Whois info
    Registrant Name:

    Cheryl Seelhoff
    Registrant Organization:

    Women’s Space
    Registrant Street1:

    PO Box XXX
    Registrant Street2:

    Registrant Street3:

    Registrant City:

    XXX
    Registrant State/Province:

    xxx
    Registrant Postal Code:

    98329
    Registrant Country:

    US
    Registrant Phone:

    +1.3609902022
    Registrant Phone Ext.:

    Registrant FAX:

    Registrant FAX Ext.:

    Registrant Email:

    Heartsees2@aol.com

    Will confirm phone later.

    ***

    NOTE: That cell phone went through the washing machine and is no more, and the address information is wrong, too.

    But how creepy is this. They’re posting what they believe to be my information on a site like that. One of them is going to confirm my phone number?

    Probably in the precise way somebody tried to, by e-mailing me asking for an “interview” and urging me to call him to discuss.

    Right.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 3, 2007, 8:41 pm
  140. I’m so angry I’m shaking. How can this be prevented from happening again?

    Posted by Chloe | August 3, 2007, 9:42 pm
  141. “ebaums” was who attacked me last year.

    Posted by sparklematrix | August 3, 2007, 10:03 pm
  142. Dangerous shitheads, and really repulsive too.

    Posting your information, attempting to contact you via telephone, in addition to the hacking of the board, is definitely in the realm of the criminal. When are they going to be arrested and jailed?

    Posted by Branjor | August 3, 2007, 10:05 pm
  143. Notice all the pseudo military talk – “If any of you /i/insurgents” and the general “tone” of the “attack”

    Reminds me of how most men cannot attack other men who have any power over them – so they turn to abuse women and/or children because *they* are the only *safe* quarry.

    Posted by sparklematrix | August 3, 2007, 10:37 pm
  144. Also notice, when males attack other males and data is lost, time is spent recouping and rebuilding the destruction, they are arrested, go to court, are fined, jailed.

    What is happening with this Heart? I want to see these men charged with this. There is a law written about a year ago that covers this situation. You just need their ISP numbers. The service providers are supposed must hand the information over to police.

    Why is it a crime when it’s done to men and what men own, but just fun and adventure when we women are their victims; women who have so little, must work hours and hours at minimum wage to pay for what we have, and house us and our children and elders with that small amount of money?

    Posted by Sis | August 3, 2007, 11:05 pm
  145. BananaOJ, you are absolutely in the right place and I am so sorry you found us in the middle of a crisis. I found Heart in much the same manner (actually I googlestalked her wanting to know “what happened next” after she sued the right-wing homeschooling cartel and won). If you are sincere and are who you say you are, please be patient and understand why everybody has to be a bit paranoid right now.

    You are among friends, just among stressed out friends. Kick your shoes off, look around, make yourself at home, and know that this too shall pass.

    Posted by anonymom | August 3, 2007, 11:12 pm
  146. Sis, this is something I want us to discuss on the boards once they’re up, there is lots to discuss!

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 3, 2007, 11:15 pm
  147. Actually I can thank wikipedia for finding Heart. She was mentioned in the entry on the “Quiverfull” movement, as being an ex- member.

    The “History of Homeschooling” resonated with me for a lot of reasons. My mother vaccilated between people she (affectionately) called “the bean sprout crew” of anti-establishment homeschoolers, and the fundamentalists, who although she was one, persecuted her when she decided to homeschool me in 1981. (this was before Dobson said it was ok) She was a maverick fundamentalist who was homeschooling before homeschooling was “the thing”. And when she started it was *strictly* for reasons of academic freedom for her children. Even though she was later co-opted into the more fundamentalist stream of homeschoolers.
    I think we turned out much better as a result. (There was a lot of pressure on me to be the “perfect child” but that’s a side issue because they had to justify to everyone that they weren’t wrecking me by keeping me out of school)

    We are all grown now and mom eventually quit running a homeschooling consulting business because she couldn’t stand (again, even though she is a fundamentalist herself) how the fundamentalists were becoming even more insular, and devaluing the higher education of women, since all they were going to do was “work in the home”…. yet at the same time it is hard for her to intellectually adjust to the fact that I’m *not* a stay at home mom, nor am I a wife, or mother. Nor do I really aspire to be any of the above.

    In some ways she was a fabulous feminist mother, because from within the patriarchy she raised a daughter who could never submit to it. (and all things considering I came out pretty unscathed despite the fundamentalism) I suspect that who I am is a reflection of some of her deepest beliefs even if she can’t admit them to herself. If she’d really bought into the patriarchy she wouldn’t have raised me to be an independent thinker.

    Posted by BannaOj | August 3, 2007, 11:40 pm
  148. Sis, thanks for the heads up. I did exactly as you suggested and got the full headers along with the email bodies saved as screen shots offline. Thankfully the header was so long I didn’t have to be assualted by the text of the message itself.

    –looking glass

    Posted by looking glass | August 4, 2007, 1:59 am
  149. What dudes these guys are. Now they are all pointing the finger at each other in my (spammed) comments queue. “No, those guys over there did it!” “It was these guys! (link)” “These are the real culprits (link).” “I can send you this, this and this if you want to know who did it!”
    :/

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 4, 2007, 4:28 pm
  150. I am suspicious of new people popping up and asking for an invite to an private forum — especially right at this very moment. Not everyone is your friend, and some clods fake feminists rhetoric very well.

    Apologies if I am wrong, but really I am sick of this crap. It truly would be nice to have a “invitation only” forum. There are plenty of places where anybody and their dog can post, including this blog. “Invitation only” would mean, by default, that only people with a posting history somewhere would be invited.

    Hearrrt, if you let just just anybody join, whenever just anybody pops up and claims to be a feminist, the whole point of “invitation only” is moot. Please do not underestimate the hate for us. If someone really was a feminist, and aware of the internet’s treatment of women, they would understand the need for security and a posting history. I too could fit in on a fundie board, at least initially, if that was my goal.

    Arantxa, really sorry. My nym requires a little parsing out.

    We are compared to horrible human beings who were willing to murder innocent people for elitist reasons, but magically we should not be insulted by this comparision. Somehow the genocidal maniacs should be insulted that they are compared to women who want equal rights.

    Seems silly to me, so I’m making fun of it. Plus, I really don’t care for men all that much, and I’m a big meanie. Is it my fault that people keep assuming things without asking for clarification?

    Posted by mAndrea | August 4, 2007, 8:16 pm
  151. Yeah, mAndrea, for a while, we’re going to be private as the day is long and by invitation only. It has to be that way.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 4, 2007, 8:19 pm
  152. Wow, all this cordial self-congratulatory bragging. In the third person, of course.

    Posted by Rich | August 4, 2007, 10:15 pm
  153. Ooops, now your comment doesn’t make sense, Rich.

    Rich was responding to a comment I just spammed.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 4, 2007, 10:33 pm
  154. Well, I can’t be certain that James is on the level, either. Just as “Ellen” brought up friendly “information,” who knows if that Fox newsbrief is only being offered in celebration of the attention? “Look at us, in the national spotlight!” That’s the problem with this stuff: trust is made impossible.

    Posted by Rich | August 4, 2007, 10:44 pm
  155. And ain’t like I’ve never not made sense before.

    Posted by Rich | August 4, 2007, 10:46 pm
  156. I have received more porn. More proof that men suck. More proof that some men, in all their grand entitlement glory, believe that women should be punished for wanting *one* stinking, tiny little place to BE LEFT ALONE.

    Interesting that they feel entitled to inflict themselves on unwilling females. I wonder how physically violent and abusive these clods are to the females around them?

    Somebody’s doin’ the raping, folks — and it sure ain’t the men who actually respect boundries.

    At the individual level, men are more likely to sexually assault if they have hostile and negative sexual attitudes towards women and identify with traditional images of masculinity and male privilege (Heise, 1998; O’Neil &Harway, 1977). At the level of the immediate context in which violence takes place – typically families or other intimate or acquaintance relationships – male dominance is a strong predictor of the likelihood of sexual violence against women. At the interpersonal level, another predictor especially among young men is attachment to male peers wo encourage and legitimate woman abuse (Heise, 1998). And at the macro-social level, rates of violence against women are higher in contexts in which manhood is defined in terms of dominance, toughness, entitlement to power or male honour, there are rigid gender roles, and violence is condoned as a means to settle interpersonal disputes (Heise,1989).

    Posted by mAndrea | August 5, 2007, 2:34 am
  157. I finally received a new password from Yahoo just now. Nothing has been marked sent. However, I did find in my profile that there was an alternate email added, the status was pending approval. An address I never heard of, or used.

    it was front2back at gee mail dot com I removed it from my list.

    I am working on getting rid of the email that was raped.

    Posted by Chasingmoksha | August 5, 2007, 4:20 pm
  158. I’m so sorry cm. :( Thanks for letting everybody know. This is something else for everyone to be aware of and to check.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | August 5, 2007, 6:16 pm
  159. Well, I suppose, never let machines save passwords and never use the same ones … how much would this have helped?

    CM – shiyut, front2back@gmail.com sounds mighty familiar. I do believe have seen it before, but I do not know where. Creepy.

    Posted by profacero | August 5, 2007, 6:41 pm
  160. P.S. I just googled front2back@gmail.com. I got to a message board where the person who had created that account, now couldn’t get into it, and was trying to figure out what to do. So somebody hijacked *that* account … ? … If so, typical strategy, if you can steal an e-mail address and then use that one to get further accounts, you lessen the chances that things can be traced back to you.

    Posted by profacero | August 5, 2007, 6:47 pm
  161. Those hackers were well out of line when they attacked your website. I heard about this incident from my life partner Philipa and part of me is shocked to see that these people have made it their mission to personnally attack you (another part realises that men have been doing this for centuries, persecuting women to make themselves feel beter). Boys in high school would sometimes bully me, I was never really a girly-girl and they made fun of me for not being “normal”. I would play basketball with the boys, and I was good. However one particular day I had a conflict with a boy from my school, We fought and my mom the saint that she was would not stand for this, contacting the bullies parents, she even supported my idea to move (somewhere where I could escape the bullies). I suggest we too move so that we can escape these infantile pathetic little children.

    Posted by Princess_Freisha | August 8, 2007, 3:38 pm

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