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Cecelia Fire Thunder Impeached

Fire Thunder

PORCUPINE, S.D. – The first woman elected to lead the Oglala Sioux tribe was removed from office with five months remaining in her first term.

Cecelia Fire Thunder, former president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, met the anti-abortion movement and lost. At a hearing on June 29, Tribal Councilman Will Peters, architect of the complaints against her, said at the outset that abortion was the issue.

”We are here today because of the abortion. We will plan for and fight for all Lakota, including the unborn,” Peters said.

Fire Thunder opened the floodgates of criticism when she suggested opening a women’s health clinic on the reservation in response to the state of South Dakota’s near-complete ban on abortion.

…(Fire Thunder) said the decision violated the constitution and that she would challenge the decision.

…Following a two-hour, closed-door deliberation, Peters in public forum moved to impeach Fire Thunder immediately. On a 9-4 vote, the required two-thirds majority, she was removed. The hearing took place with a reduced council; there are 18 council members from across the Pine Ridge Reservation…

Her opponents accused her of bringing the state and federal government onto the reservation.

”She invited federal and state law onto our sovereign reservation by challenging the new state abortion law, to begin her own abortion clinic under the auspices of the Oglala Sioux Tribe,” the letter of notification of Fire Thunder’s suspension stated.

Fire Thunder told the council that having an idea, or speaking out about issues that go to the heart of her convictions, are not grounds for impeachment. She said the clinic was an idea and that ”ideas and opinions are not punishable.”

…Peters and Councilman Garfield Steele, a co-signer on the complaint, brought six charges against Fire Thunder.

The first charge sited Fire Thunder as organizing the clinic outside of her authority as president and that she didn’t consult with the council about the project and get their permission. The vote constituted the needed majority to impeach Fire Thunder, and the remaining five charges were not read.

Other charges were that Fire Thunder used the media, the U.S. Post Office and the Oglala Sioux Tribe to solicit funds for the clinic. Fire Thunder said she never solicited funds and that all funds were voluntarily sent in and that some media included an address for donations on their own.

She said any money that was not designated for the clinic was, or will be, returned.

…”I can’t look at her as a woman, she is president. She should be focused on the tribe and her duties are first and foremost to the tribe,” Peters said.

Fire Thunder said she had a responsibility to lead the tribe and expand services and a women’s health clinic that educated women and men about reproductive choices was part of addressing health issues on the reservation.

…The scene in the Community Action Program building in Porcupine was of an anti-abortion rally. Packets of material depicting the image of Jesus, a trinket style of rosary and bumper stickers were passed out to the crowd.

Alex White Plume assumes the role of president pro tem and his position of vice president will remain open until the November election.

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6 thoughts on “Cecelia Fire Thunder Impeached

  1. Oh this is so sad.😦
    -Jeyoani

    Posted by Jeyoani | July 1, 2006, 4:27 pm
  2. This is the line that I can’t get out of my mind, spoken by a male council member:

    ‘’I can’t look at her as a woman, she is president. She should be focused on the tribe and her duties are first and foremost to the tribe,’’ Peters said

    To be focused first and foremost on the tribe, I guess,  means you shouldn’t expect the fact of your being a woman to be considered or even acknowledged.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | July 1, 2006, 4:47 pm
  3. Well, more than half the tribe is female, so God forbid she take care of them, right?

    Posted by ginmar | July 8, 2006, 3:02 am
  4. Here’s a piece I wrote on the Fire Thunder impeachment and the rights of women on the Oglala reservation:

    http://tiyospayenow.blogspot.com/2006/07/fire-thunder-impeachment-and-rights-of.html

    It is written from a Native perspective. My family is Nakota. Forcing women to bear children from rape and incest and then banishing them if they do not want to is NOT traditional.

    Posted by bahesmama | July 10, 2006, 5:32 pm
  5. AhYaTaHey …..
    my name is Kevala TateyMani ~ “he who Walks
    the Wind Alone” ~ this is my boyhood name and
    many know me as WINDWALKER ~ my adult and
    earned name is not important here, for our great
    GrandFather said, “The Messenger is of NO
    Importance, only the MESSAGE is of Importance,
    Not the messenger” ~ and of course i like,
    “Please Do Not Shoot the Messenger” the funny
    one ~ webster TWO HAWK knows me [although i
    still will never call him that Wasicun name WEB’
    and he knows i can not stand it, for inlike it is too
    much like “IKTOMI” the WEB maker, the spider,
    the evil trickster] ~ and WAMBLI GHLESKA CIKALA
    knows me [Little Spotted Eagle … aka Gilly, son
    of “RUNS WITH” ~ i endured over 2 weeks with a
    temperature of 103/104+ degrees, and no one
    could fix me ~ no doctor no hospital ~ i was just
    about comatose walking in the street in Columbus
    Ohio staggering down a sidewalk ~ then i heard
    drumming far away and thought, okay GrandFather
    this is a good day to die, is it not so ~ [an i most
    assuredly was chuckling and laughing that i finally
    get to go to our Lakota village in the real world],
    but as i followed the sound, [15/20 mins, so too
    far to actually hear in the physical world], i found
    i had stopped in front of a building where in the
    windows i saw a Lakota singing and playing a
    drum ~ the walls were thick and barely did a drum
    sound escape the concrete and brick, but oh my
    head was pounding ~ i entered and sat an hour
    not really knowing what the cool looking Indian
    was telling the folks of the Lakota culture ~ all
    left and i sat there for i could not move ~ then,
    WAMBLI GHLESKA CIKALA spoke to me through
    my fog, “you are not doing well, come with me”
    and we journeyed for many hours ~ i ended up in
    the woods next to a river, in a healing Warrior
    Sweat-Lodge where the temp’ reached 280dgrs,
    and 5 hours later i was brand new jumping in the
    river and dancing around laughing that i was not
    dead ~ it was a great day ~ now, i build Lakota
    Sweat-Lodges at 3 levels of healing, teach folks to
    fast for 10/12 or 15/18 or 22 days on Lemon Juice
    and Pure Maple Syrup with Cayenne Pepper using
    Steam Distilled Water ~ in addition what sounds
    and colors heal the Body-Mind-Spirit, in or out of
    the Sweat-Lodge ~ NO VIRUS … None, can live
    with extended heat at high temperatures ~ a
    common cold can be healed with 12/18 rocks [and
    perhaps just 9 stones according to size and power
    of each rock … you sort of have to ask the Stone]
    with a minimum time of 30/to/90 minutes at a
    heat of 180dgrs/to/200dgrs ~ done! the virus will
    die ~ with higher body killing temp’s like 99/to101
    it takes longer with more heat more rocks ~ and
    then there is the 3rd level, the Warrior Sweat and
    it takes 36 stones all the greetings and offerings
    to the GrandFathers and yes temperatures that
    are above the boiling of water 212dgrs ~ there
    are ways the GrandFathers have shown me to
    survive such sweats up to 280drgs ~anyone can
    reach me for any reason {not just for Sweats of
    which i do not charge for as we share the building]

    at: LakotaHuSweat@sbcglobal.net

    this is just an intro, so perhaps i will be listened
    to as a “TruthSayer” ~ i am not to “The Message”
    yet, for that is to be posted in other areas of
    concern for the Lakota People ~ please do not tell
    the AMA nor the FDA that i can cure any virus in
    30/90/180/300 minutes, for they will hunt me to
    extinction or until i am dead ~ that would be way
    to many Wasicun doctors out of a job and no need
    for there billion dollars of useless medicine ~ also
    i am known by KILL STRAIGHT and BAD WOUND,
    by the Chasing Horse family {the son is my friend]
    known in “Dances With Wolves” as “Smiles Alot”],
    and a great Lakota healer “YELLOW KNIFE” up in
    the GrandMother land Canada whom also builds a
    great and wonderful Sweat-Lodge ~ there are of
    course many others that i/we/all of us have made
    the same journey and understand walking in each
    others moccasins;

    i am very old ~ i move like FIRE ~ i come from a
    very powerful Lakota family and my responsibility
    is great ~ our village is called SAMEYO-HU which
    means “World Of Heaven” and my GrandFather is
    KELA-TRESSO which means “Trembling Leaf” and
    besides being one of the greatest of healers, his
    power is so great that he once made a mad Bear
    fall over backwards across a log and run back from
    where he came ~ my ANEY, Fathers name is,
    HU-TA meaning “Running Fire” and my 2nd Father
    is OTANEYA-HU means, “Mountain of the Highest”
    and my INA Mothers name is SIGNA-WINA, which
    means “Woman Of Big Heart” whereas her Heart
    is as big as WAKANTANKA ~ a great warrior has
    returned/reAppeared/ReManifested from out or the
    Light and Sound of the Great Spirit to help us and
    he is, I’STA-SAPA means “Black Eye” and he is like
    known as ANEYASIWA or GrandFathers of All
    GrandFathers ~ inclusive in the way of HunkPappa
    is one more well known for in the way of “Relative
    by Choice” he has joined our Lakota family in the
    real world of our Lakota villiage, to help us here in
    the Dream World known as School-House Earth ~
    his name is TATANK-IYOTAKE whom is the real
    “Sitting Bull” and he is not happy with what’s so
    rotten on the Reservation;

    i am very old, thus all i know is by true experience
    or i would not speak of that which i have not done
    i know of sound, before our great Lakota language
    today, and was the original language, within this
    language, all truth was known ~ only those that
    could speak truth VIA DIRECT EXPERIENCE could
    teach truth ~ NO EXPERIENCE…NO TRUTH ~ i do
    have to mention this with clarity for i have been
    a watching too long and kept silent ~ not out of
    choice but because it is hard to not maintain the
    LAKOTA Laws that i and all my family have vowed
    to uphold ~ which laws are the difficult ones that
    have caused me to be silent: should a Lakota
    steal ….. an arrow is shot into their heart ~ and
    should a Lakota lie ….. an arrow is shot into their
    heart !!! ~ Obviously, i would not have lasted long
    in the Wasicun world with this kind of behavior, for
    they do not know this is proper and no example is
    needed for look how they and most of the world
    treat Women who are really our great connection
    to the Great Spirit and have no Value of Life at all
    so this is known as they are not “Hu-Man Beings”;

    why am i not on the Rez, because when i go there
    i cry almost every day ~ what i see is just too
    much of too little and that which makes my Heart
    the heaviest of all, is seeing the downfall of true
    and proper Lakota Ways by a Council of IDIOTS !!
    yet i have accomplished much for the Lakota in our
    real world, the so-called Spirit World, and that is
    okay, but i can see very clearly that such things
    have not carried on down/through to this world ~
    i am forgiven, so thats okay, but now i am really
    on the WarPath for what has been done to this
    beautiful Warrior Woman FIRE THUNDER is just
    absolutely and totally unacceptable ~ here is
    part of the message of what is lost;

    when we go to sleep at night, and most all have
    been conditioned to believe we dream, we do
    things in these spirit worlds, we wake up, and we
    can remember so clearly in many ways to even
    write our dreams down ~ WRONG ~ another way
    out of whack ILLUSION created by the Trickster
    IKATOMI the Spider that has weaved its tricky
    webs to keep mankind ignorant of all that is ~
    so you see, when we put our head on the pillow,
    we wake up ~ we exist in our true self our one
    spirit our life of reality ~ of course most all do not
    and can not remember, for then why would any
    body want to come to this world, to dream our
    bodys here, for it is the ashcan of the universe in
    one view, and there is much beauty with great
    Love abounding in other views [and experiences],
    BUT, this is SCHOOL-HOUSE-EARTH and it is the
    place that Soul must learn its lessons, before it
    can return to the real world of Soul and of Love,
    and i am not attempting to be poetic, for it is so
    lost now this clear reality that when we go to
    sleep, WE WAKE UP ~ this would correct much of
    the hate and devious ways of man, mostly of our
    concern with those on the reservation that have
    totally misused power and do not belong in any
    such position ~ i would not give them a job to
    clean the Wasicun toliets ~ they would find a way
    to corrupt their power, like make us pay for each
    individual tissue paper sheet by sheet until we
    are broke ~ before i start ranting and raving about
    our reservation, here is a great example of where
    “arrows need to fly into certain hearts” for i am
    freind/brother with my Menomminee fellow truck
    driver TA-CHONDA [i used ancient Lakota, so i will
    not get him attacked in this day of reckoning with
    a name that is known ~ the name INA has never
    changed for Mother, nor has AhTey {Ate} changed
    for Father, but when Lakota now say WAMBLI for
    Eagle, we said WAISITA {Wah-EE-Shee-Tah} and
    so forth, and if any body could translate CHONDA
    then you have real Spirit Traveling ability to learn
    this work] ~ i mention Truck Driving for to jump in
    a Semi-Tractor-Trailer is an instantaneous great
    way to survive and get ahead ~ they give you a
    quick $100 and a place to keep your personal stuff
    and in those big sleeper trucks you have a home,
    so with 3.5 million miles behind me this is proven
    to fall back on when i hit poverty ~ i wish to bring
    to the Lakota Nation many valid and real training
    of truck driver schools, so the young {and old} do
    have an instant way to get ahead ~ along with
    Nusing {badly needed on the Rez} truck drivers
    are needed to the tune of 500,000 every day ~ it
    is well known that Nurses and Truckers are in a
    never ending daily demand, so these should be in
    abundance from schools on the Rez ~ so, okay, i
    am zooming through the Menomminee Rez up in
    Wisconsin, and i am shocked to see the same old
    dry terrible ground without a tree and these Rez’
    houses sitting out in the hot sun without anything
    around ~ little pint size shack houses without a
    school, no stores, no community gathering place,
    no medical facilities, no play ground even, just
    nothing for children, whereas this translates into
    no jobs, no money, no advancement, not even a
    horse to ride, and this then translates into people
    without hope, probably troulbled kids, and of
    course health in a declining status for all ~ i then
    checked with whom is on the council, the Leader
    all this terribleness ~ it is just as GrandFather
    has told me …… not all Indians are of Indian kind
    of Spirit ~ they are rotten Souls that have Karmic
    burdens and find a way to return to earth in an
    Indian body to attempt to gain power back, and
    the real Indians are in other bodies in many areas
    to learn their next lessons ~ [this is why many of
    the Wasicun world have such a love an affinity for
    all Indian things ~ it does not matter if Lakota or
    Apache or Cherokee ~ they are stronger of the
    Indian spirit they are/were/feel/remember and did
    like better than, the sluggish white’eye’body they
    are in now ~ okay, sorry, not slur for White-Eye
    meant, and anyone of now fluent Lakota can help
    me with translations, for WASICUN most likely is
    meant as “Bearded Barbarian Ones” from way back
    as they never bathed and smelled so bad ~ you
    see how reality gets changed around, for they said
    the red-eyed-savage smelled so bad, which is due
    to us smelling so good from jumping in the river
    each morning and wearing our tanned CLEAN deer
    skin attire, is it not so ~ how can you find a way
    of common ground with folks that think and will
    kill you over something good that is bad to them?
    My mentioning of all this is to bring understanding
    that many on these councils, are not of Loving
    Indian Spirits with total interest only being for the
    People ~ just like this so called leader of the
    Menomminee council, for he gets $120,000.00 per
    year to do nothing as he drives around in his big
    luxury car [i think he has a Mercedes, but it can
    be easily checked] and lives in a nice A/C house,
    not even close to the poverty living of the People,
    and what is not easy to check is how many people
    does he hurt, how many women does he abuse???
    i am not in a position to put an arrow in his heart
    so i jumped in my rig and hit the trail ~ my true
    brother TA-CHONDA ordered me no-no-no we can
    not do that, and of course i agreed that the jail of
    the Wasicun is nowhere to end up ~ all of your
    power, or what little power we may have, is like
    totally gone ~ has anybody got the POWER to get
    LEONARD PELTIER out of prison yet ???? NO and
    here are WebSites for that sort of info;

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=PELTIER+IN+JAIL+STILL&spell=1

    OR

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=LEONARD+PELTIER+FREE+EVER

    So i will not be misquoted, nor misunderstood,
    let us make this clear that i AM NOT breaking
    anybody’s nose nor i AM NOT going to put an
    arrow into some Ikatomi persons heart, for i have
    not done all these years and DO NOT INTEND TO
    DO SO, for i follow the Way Of The Samurai with
    no sword, and i fight now inlike “THE PEN IS SO
    MUCH MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD” ~ this is how
    FIRE THUNDER must fight and this is how she is
    now to get much support and help from the true
    GrandFathers ~ never think in delusion/illusion for
    even a moment, that the power of our beloved
    GrandFathers can not and does not reach directly
    into this physical-dream-earth-world and the clear
    results can be observed and recorded ~ this then
    is such a “Pen Is Mightier Than The Sword” kind of
    warning for another council member, and since
    their are so many, we will just pick one for now,
    for he who uses a Wasicun name Will Peters, his
    days are numbered, for he has made many lethal mistakes and lays in false power ~ notice i did
    say lies, for if somebody BELIEVES they are doing
    good, it is not a lie, just as the barbarians said
    we Lakota smell bad, yet can any woman truely
    say they will sleep with a man that has not a bath
    in 6 months ~ it must be pure disgust to exist in
    such a way, just as the GrandFathers have disgust
    for these so-called council members that act out
    pure greed or ignorance ~ there well fed little fat
    bodies are a reflection of their fat minds over
    saturated by the blindness of the pain of others;

    well, lets get to the “Message” now, shall we ~ i
    name … names later ~ who the hell, who in Gods
    love of Soul, who do you think you are in your
    ignorance to tell another about truth, when you
    know nothing ~ afore i get to the plight of this
    medical clinic necessity, let us begin with the
    true Lakota Council of 12 ~ there is reasons it can
    form into a council of 18 or of 36, but the main
    foundation of a solid council is always 12, BUT,
    there IS ALSO A WOMAN SITTING RIGHT BEHIND
    EACH COUNCIL WARRIOR, for men can not rule in
    this world without a woman in his ear ~ only a
    woman has her entire being grounded wtihin the
    Mother Earth we live, and only a woman knows
    how to bring balance to decisions that effect all
    in the best way to proceed ~ you idiots of these
    councils have lost the knowledge and power to
    place a woman in your ear ~ your ignorance is
    unforgivable and you are causing the ruination or
    the LAKOTA NATION ~ should one on the council
    not have a wife then a Woman of Power is chosen
    to stand in place [or sit in place and whisper the
    ear] and now i have learned of just such a woman
    for it is FIRE THUNDER {Cecelia} and she has the
    total support of all the GrandFathers, more than
    she actually knows at the moment ~ her ways of
    knowing truth and all that is proper are not to be
    denied nor questioned ~ she is an example of how
    a council must expand to 18, for not behind shall
    she sit, but in the circle with an equal voice and
    equal power to demand decisions ~ i said demand
    and be heard, for that is correct and just as well
    is her sister, who is from i think the Cherokee,
    and one such as CheyFire aka Fire Wolf RN, all
    deserve and have earned the honor to stand in a
    council circle with not just a voice, but decision
    making power ~ this is not open for discussion
    and non-negotiable for you of wothless councils
    have NO SAY-SO SAY-SO;

    here is the next Spirit Law: not one human nor
    non-human [not our wolf brothers but non-humans
    are those of ignorance that doing nothing but hurt
    loving human beings] [like will peters of the wierd
    name], and this not one person is ever to have a
    say-so in the FREE CHOICE or DECISIONS of any
    other person ~ this is the Law of Not Interfering
    With Anothers Life, nor Invading Their Space, and
    that is in direct meaning THEIR BODY, for the
    Law Of Choice over-rides any and all other Laws ~
    next a council will tell me i can not go out in the
    snow and sing my death song later enabling the
    Wolves to have at my body ~ this is not suicide,
    for that is a made up conditional pharse to have
    a control over others ~ it is my God given right,
    my Choice to decide how i want to leave this
    world and go to my next life ~ [please no body be
    silly and EnetMail me saying, well does that mean
    a person can just suicide out of life whenever they
    want to? hehehehe, of course not stupid, for if
    your lessons are not done, you will return to this
    School-House earth to live your lesson of critical
    experience all over again, untill you get it right ~
    how many lifetimes do we live to learn all that is
    and most of all to know and be DIVINE LOVE …oh
    about 12 to 13 million lifetimes ~ so, many folks
    have a long way to go and that is none of concern
    nor our business, UNTIL THEY TRY TO TAKE OVER
    OUR LIFE ~ then you see, it is war ~ i still have a
    difficult time being friends with OJIBWA or those
    ugly face CROW ~ hey, who could blame me, for
    we have fought them for centuries and just do not
    like the way they act ~ but now, in 2006, they are
    welcome if they are not of IKATOMI whom usually
    end up with a “Twisted Spirit” ~ now is the time
    to mention those Indians that have not at all
    faced the REAL TEST for they have been a great
    person for many years ~ it could be 10 yrs or even
    30 years where all that they did was good, and
    even for the people ~ like becoming a Lawyer and
    winning millions of acres back for the Lakota ~ yet
    this person had not been hit with the hardest test
    of their mind and/or heart ~ the worst i know of
    and will never understand, for he was a hero to
    me with a wonderful warrior image like you see in
    the coolest of Indian movies, and yet in the end
    it was in his heart all along ~ a bad heart ~ it is
    lost that the evil government was dumping their
    evil nuclear waste on/in Lakota land, for hey they
    said we have accomplished Genocide on this once
    strong nation of 325,000 people who are now only
    22,000 of no strength to fight us, so lets dump
    our poison in their Black Hills, and that was the
    start of World War III ~ WHAT you do not think
    it was so declared, yet how little you know that to
    make it legal to attack Americans, ha, Native kind
    of Americans on the soil of USA, war had to be
    declared and tanks moved in and fighting soldiers,
    and so what happened to my hero???? ~ i just did
    not even understand why i talked to his own sons
    they want nothing to do with him, for in the end
    he turned black ~ the old saying is: if a dove
    chooses to fly with a raven, his feathers stay
    white, but his heart turns black! ~ i will most
    likely have to face this bad face down soon, for he
    still has a voice, which must end, and what is he
    not to be ever forgiven for???? ~ on the train, the
    railroad boxcars that were unknown and on the
    way to Wounded Knee II, were all the soldiers an
    FBI with weapons of mass Lakota destruction, and
    showing them the way sitting right beside them,
    there he was leading the way, just like the turn
    coat scouts back in Sitting Bulls days ~ why is he
    allowed to speak at any council or even exist???

    i will be in communique with those of need from
    the Lakota Council proper, or those not on the
    council but need to be, which of course replaces
    all those on all the councils that need not be, so
    you see it is all very scientific ~ it is also science,
    that a Soul, an unborn Soul, is in complete control
    of its life, its existence, its next life ~ all such
    Souls that are returning for their next important
    life, have the choice and decision of which life is
    compatible with or in harmony of, their needed
    karmic lessons ~ so this means, a bad life, is a
    proper life for that Soul ~ nobody on the earth can
    make these choices, NOBODY ~ a greater truth is
    a Soul is checking out a life before conception, so
    we can afix that time at 12 months afore birth,
    and a Soul can and does go in and out of the
    provided body {okay the fetus term whatever}
    for the 10 months, still checking things out to be
    sure this is the life it wants for its highest good ~
    and then even about no more than 2 months after
    birth, the Soul can still be in the decision stage ~
    [that’s why there are many still births, for they did
    decide nope this is not for me] ~ when it is finally
    a yes i stay, then the “Veil Of Ignorance” is put
    over the Soul like a blanket, and it is no longer an
    all knowing Soul, it is just a baby ~ THIS MEANS
    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MURDER NOR THE
    KILLING OF THE UNBORN ~that is just more of
    the priest crapola to control man in their negative
    way of thinking ~ all of this together is the one
    rule: A Woman is the only person to decide what
    is right for her ~ absolutely nobody else !!!! a foot
    note is in order, aye ~ this especially means any
    government or men that know nothing of truth or
    Spirit to begin with ~ these are not opinions ~ all
    Spirit Travelers know these simple truths ~ they
    are the ones to give council and advice ~ with
    them i would decide that any man rapes a woman
    should have his penis removed and as he stands
    there with the flow of life bleeding to the ground,
    it would finally dawn on him, what he did was so
    wrong he will have to return another life and try
    to do better ~ in the same light, as i read about
    these pregnant rapes or incest or fathercest, it is
    absolutely necessary to stop these pregnecies for
    these are not good souls trying to get born ~ this
    is not a loving family environment to raise a child
    and how do you think bad souls get to earth? by
    any means they can, especially from a rape ~ thus
    all women, all medical reasons or emotional type
    or tragic reasons, are a womans decision to not
    a have a soul that was NOT INVITED ~ there is no
    need of votes or pro’this and pro’that for it is no
    of your business nor your choice ~ i caught a cool
    term FIRE THUNDER used, “ANTI-CHOICERS” and
    this needs to be made Lakota Law that such
    individuals never have a voice in council;

    i must ride now and i will return, and i need to
    find a way to get this message and support to
    FIRE THUNDER if anybody can help ~ i most
    likely will Google the info later;

    WINDWALKER

    Posted by KEVALA WINDWALKER | July 31, 2006, 1:30 am
  6. Cecelia, When a Lakota woman loses this type of decision to a Lakota man(?) is that man truly Lakota? This is a prime example of colonialism at it’s worst. The christian mentality has taken it’s negative grasp upon our people in that Lakota women are now looked upon as objects of ownership.

    150 years ago, we were true Lakota, no drug & alcohol inflicted social problems such as rape and incest existed. We didn’t need to address abortion in such a public way as we did have our medicine to deal with such a preganancy. Offenders were dealt with harshly, banishment or death for such a crime.

    I admire Cecelia for attempting to deal with the reality of our situations on the Rez. by offering women and young girls an opportunity to make that choice with their own bodies.

    Cecelia you stand tall for us all; survivors of sexual assaults.
    Pilamiye

    Posted by Tankshi TA | August 24, 2006, 1:26 pm

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