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Pimped: Alas, A Blog Reviews Hardcore Pornography Websites — Did Everybody But Me Already Know This?

Is everybody but me already aware that Alas, a Blog features a page of reviews of hardcore pornography websites?  Not stuff that holds itself out to be “feminist”.  Not stuff that holds itself out to be” erotica”.  Not woman-created stuff sold by woman-owned businesses, even.  Hardcore pornography.  “Hot Latina Babes.”  “Hot Ethnic Babes.”  “Hot Girl-on-Girl Action.”

I will have more to say about this.  For now, I needed to say this much to make clear that had I known this, I never would have continued posting to Alas.

Thanks to MizTee for letting me know. 

Check for yourselves (could trigger, if you click on the links, there is pornography there.) : Link

Heart

Discussion

64 thoughts on “Pimped: Alas, A Blog Reviews Hardcore Pornography Websites — Did Everybody But Me Already Know This?

  1. If you are looking for a Lexington Steele site, you have found it. LexingtonSteele.com is his official website. Much like PeterNorth.com, it features all of Lexington’s video lines. This includes Pole Position, Lex On Blondes, Black Reign and many more.

    You know what, Amp? Fuck you.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 8, 2006, 3:02 pm
  2. HELLO *COULD TRIGGER*

    Review of Liz Vicious
    Score: 85
    Sub-Section: Solo Models
    Company: JayMan Cash
    Date: Jul 22, 2006

    Liz Vicious is the newest and hottest teen sensation to hit the new in a while. She has red hale, pale skin, and some have said she looks like Avril Lavigne. Well, a dirty, naughty Avril Lavigne maybe. Regardless, the pictures of Liz Vicious speak for themselves. If you ask me, she is here to stay.

    Unlike many of the solo teen models on the net that just do tease pictures and videos, Liz Vicious is all about the hard stuff. She describes herself as the goth girl gone bad. I agree. There is something about her that just draws you in. If you are reading this though, you probably already know that.

    http://reviews.amptoons.com/review/liz-vicious

    Posted by womensspace | October 8, 2006, 3:10 pm
  3. So *that’s* what a “feminist male” looks like. So that’s what a ‘feminist man’ really thinks of women. Glad to see my suspicions confirmed.

    Posted by uppitybiscuit | October 8, 2006, 3:19 pm
  4. Heart, I don’t think Amp is writing the reviews. See this post:

    http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/09/13/i-sold-amptoonscom/

    As best I undertand it, Alas helps drive up the Google rankings of the porn sites.

    Posted by Ann Bartow | October 8, 2006, 3:44 pm
  5. aaaah. They never fail to let us down do they? I’m appalled but not tooo surprised. Won’t be going to Alas again.

    Posted by Pippa | October 8, 2006, 3:54 pm
  6. Thanks, Ann, I didn’t see that post. But I don’t agree with Amp at all that what he did is like what we all do when we have our blogs on Blogger or WordPress. I think what he did is like me selling Women’s Space to a fundie organization and allowing it to place, on the front page of my site, inconspicuously or not, a link to anti-choice sites, pro-patriarchy sites, anti-feminist sites, lesbophobic or porn sites, so that when you click on the link, it comes up, “Women-Who-Abort-Are-Murderers/womensspace.com,” or “Patriarchy-is-God’s-Way.womenssspace.com,” or  “Hot-Lesbo-Action.womensspace.com.” And using your pro-feminist supposedly blog to drive up the google ratings for hardcore porn sites, including teen porn sites?  Selling your freaking online identity, your screen name, in this particular way?

    That is just wrong. Get a second fricking job like a bunch of us have to. 

    This isn’t directed at you, Ann, I am just absolutely pissed and feel myself to be totally, totally used, exploited, deceived and betrayed.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 8, 2006, 4:02 pm
  7. No offense taken. I don’t like it either.

    Posted by Ann Bartow | October 8, 2006, 4:17 pm
  8. Yeah, real nice. Amp says, “I needed money.” So, he did what other males do when they need to make some cash, they have a female turn a trick either in real-time or in the virtual world. He did what other users of females, consumers of females and pimps do; he made some money off of the use and degradation of teen females and women. What’s the big deal? Every guy does it in some way or another. Amp is just taking advantage of an opportunity to cash in. Right?

    I’m guessing that part of his sweet little deal in the commodification of females is that he gets free access to all the hardcore porn his raw hand can handle. Yea for feminist males! Sure they say they have my back, but it’s the way they ‘mount’ their campaign that makes me uneasy. He’s just doing his part in the terrorization of girls and women, but hey, he needed some money, and *he* didn’t want to bend over, so he had some women do it for him. Nothing new here.

    Sign me,

    Not Surprised.

    Posted by uppitybiscuit | October 8, 2006, 4:51 pm
  9. That guy never ceases to amaze me. What a complete scumbag he is.

    Sorry you have been upset, Heart. Right on to MissTee for spotting this.

    Posted by delphyne | October 8, 2006, 5:51 pm
  10. I bet he’ll have a bland, “reasonable” explanation for this as he always does when he fucks over women, and somehow things will just carry on as normal. I seem to remember from the Ms Boards that he was a porn user.

    Posted by delphyne | October 8, 2006, 6:13 pm
  11. Oh well, short of a buck or two lets promote some woman’s ass. What comes first I wonder the porn or the ass hole. Either way they are so locked in, it has merged solid.

    Posted by sparklematrix | October 8, 2006, 6:21 pm
  12. Delphyne, this is his reasonable explanation from that link Ann posted:

    “The contract took months to wrangle, but here’s the bottom line: The new owner has absolutely no control over the content of “Alas.” However, “Alas” plus my cartoonist pages are the only parts of amptoons.com I have any access to or control over. The buyer also has the right to put in one or two inconspicuous links on “Alas,” positioned in a way that would make it unlikely that anyone but search engine robots would follow the link.

    “I was assured by the buyer that he would never host porn sites on “amptoons.com.” And I wrote into the contract that his link on “Alas” could never be a direct link to a porn site. But beyond that, I have no ability to control what the buyer does with his pages – the deal is that he has absolutely no say in what’s on “Alas,” but we also agreed that I have no say over what he does with his own property. And – as a couple of “Alas” readers have noticed – some pages I don’t own include links to porn.

    “I’m essentially in the same position as someone with a blog on “blogspot.com” – I don’t own the domain, and although I control what’s on my own blog, I don’t have any say over what’s posted on the domain other than my little piece of it.

    “I realize that some “Alas” readers will feel that I’ve sold out, or that this puts me beyond the pale. I’m genuinely sorry for that. For the record, I don’t feel I’ve been victimized (as one person suggested in email), nor do I feel like I’m a total sell-out. What I feel is this: I’ve made a compromise, one that I probably wouldn’t have made in a perfect world.

    “That’s all. And now, back to your regularly scheduled political rants.

    “(Comments are closed on this thread. If you want to talk to me about this, please drop me an email.) ”

    Note, too that he didn’t allow comments. I check alas every couple of days and would have noticed this, but it sunk to the bottom immediately because there were no comments.

    That “reasonable” explanation SUCKS ROCKS.

    Ampersand is using feminist women, some of whom oppose porn and who dedicate pretty much all of their feminist activism to that work, and who unwittingly post to his blog, to promote pornography because he’s short of fricking cash.

    Goddamn it that makes me mad.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 8, 2006, 6:21 pm
  13. As a feminist I deeply object to this and I will never go to that blog ever again.

    Posted by witchywoo | October 8, 2006, 6:27 pm
  14. before seeing that resonable explanation, I posted this on alas in the bikinis v burqs thread. (I guess I’m glad, cause I probably wouldn’t have if I had read it).:

    If you are looking for fresh latin babes doing the deed and getting naughty, you just hit the jackpot.
    8th Street Latinas go out on the street in Florida, especially Miami, and scoop up the hottest latinas they can find. They get a wide variety of girls, though rest assure they are all latina.

    The above was written by Ampersand, in his reviews of websites.
    reviews.amptoons.com/section/Website

    As a Brazilian, if I were walking with a bikini top because it was hot in Miami, I would be targeted by the guys who Ampersand promotes. That’s why I would make sure and cover up, to stay safe, in spite of being uncomfortable in the heat.

    I also try to tone down my naturally hot brazilian babe-ness to stay away from such creeps.

    And you wondered about the skewed moderation policy. Well those of you who like to excuse Amp’s bias to exhaustion, you are very generous indeed.

    Posted by saltyC | October 8, 2006, 6:56 pm
  15. Yeah, salty, I was thinking of posting something like that, i.e., “Gee, Amp, maybe if you spent less time reviewing pornography, you’d have more time to attend to moderating your feminist blog.”

    The link I think is really choice is the “Lexington Steel” one, Steel being a black male porn star. There was all this brouhaha a while back because a bunch of white porn stars wouldn’t “work” with him, or should we say, be prostituted with him, and that son of a beehive S***** R***, whose name I will not type out, a woman-hating piece of crap from Hades, AVR reviewer of porn flicks for a thousand years of his sorry life, who calls himself a feminist because he joined NOW, went on this bizarre rampage about how racist white porn stars were who wouldn’t be prostituted with Lexington Steel. Well, I have absolutely no fricking doubt they were racist as fuck, anybody who would be prostituted in porn movies with and by all those disgusting pasty white boys but not Lexington Steel is a fricking racist, then again, my point always was, guess what, chump, women still get to decide who they fuck, even in pornography! Even if they’re racists!  What a concept. You do not get to force porn stars so-called to fuck men they don’t want to fuck. That is called “rape” and you don’t get to rape women, to teach them a lesson because they are racists! Then again, if you (generic “you”) want to know about racism, all you have to do is analyze the pornography industry, huh? All the varying degrees and levels and categories of fetishizing and how this race of woman is fetishized this particular way, that race another way (and of course, fat women this way, pregnant women, old women, breastfeeding women, no category of woman left unfetishized.)  Anyway, the market for the kind of porn Alas is reviewing is by and large white men and they are *racist* and many would not buy black man/white woman porn (though they were happy to buy white man/black woman porn). Boycotted it, even, there was this huge drama which I can’t bring myself to research and remind myself of again. Anyway, whoever is writing those reviews makes sure to include Lexington Steel, so I guess he thinks he’s progressive and enlightened. Never mind that the titles are “Lex on Blondes” (fuck you, both Lex, reviewer and pornmakers) and “Black Reign” (fuck you twice, that’s going to Lex “reigning” over whatever women he is fucking in pornography.)

    Well, I’m just ranting and raving, I am so damned pissed.

    Salty, why would you not post that after having read the “explanation”? I don’t think that explanation explains anything except that maybe Amp isn’t actually writing the reviews himself. I honestly thought the reviews sounded like something Amp might write, as though they were written by somebody who knows better and is doing what he’s doing strictly to bring in bucks.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 8, 2006, 7:20 pm
  16. Not to mention, I doubt Amp will ever approve your comment, saltyc, so I’m glad you posted it here.

    What an ass. What the hell.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 8, 2006, 7:34 pm
  17. Heart:
    “Salty, why would you not post that after having read the “explanation”? I don’t think that explanation explains anything except that maybe Amp isn’t actually writing the reviews himself”

    yeah, because i said it was him and it wasn’t. It’s obvious, that page has clipart and he would have put one of his ow cartoons. But I still think it informs the whole Bikini v burqa issue. Yeah, I doubt it will pass moderation, but stranger things have happened.

    Also, on Lex: of course the whole genre of fetishizing black men hanving sex with white women is racist itself.

    Posted by saltyC | October 8, 2006, 7:58 pm
  18. So true. White guys that don’t buy that shit are racist, and guys that buy it are also racist, just a different kind of racist.

    The world of pornography. So inspiring. So uplifting.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 8, 2006, 8:03 pm
  19. I agree.

    Amp? Fuck you.

    Posted by Laurelin | October 8, 2006, 8:55 pm
  20. Ahem, is Phemi the only one who, previous to this revelation, could think of other reasons not to read that blog? Like, it’s a man. Like, it’s not an anti-porn blog. Phemi is not surprised, but then, Phemi has been around for a looong time.

    Posted by Phemisaurus Terribilis | October 8, 2006, 11:25 pm
  21. Yup you and me both Phemi. Cannot even trust ’em to run a blog. Male feminists! prove it!

    Posted by Radceratops Horendous | October 8, 2006, 11:39 pm
  22. What a betrayal of the largest magnitude.

    I (usually) always check out the links/sources in posts, just to confirm for myself. I read your second (longer) post before this one, and searching the site couldn’t find the links (but obviously found it with the link on this post!).

    That in itself, effectively ‘hiding’ this pornfest at the backdoor, whilst supposedly being all pro-woman at the front door – sucks. As you say, people posting are not aware of this insidious link, and many posters are strongly anti-porn.

    If one is selling out for the money, then at least have the guts to be up front about it. (but that would drop traffic, wouldn’t it?). Fucking arsehole.

    Shame you can’t all get your links removed from that site (would make me feel dirty).

    Just when I was about to soften, and (partially) trust pro-fem men again, betrayal again! Then again, I always think that to trust any pro-fem man, is HAS TO BE anti-porn.

    I do agree also with Phemi, I’ve generally found the content, on the rare occasion that I’ve visited, to be so-so at best.

    Posted by stormcloud | October 9, 2006, 11:47 am
  23. Minor gramatical correction to second last par, should read:
    “…that to trust any pro-fem man, is that he HAS TO BE anti-porn.”
    (doesn’t make much sense otherwise?)

    My excuse was that I was blinded by rage, and only had swear words, lots of swear words, tumbling around in my brain.

    Posted by stormcloud | October 9, 2006, 12:05 pm
  24. Yeah, stormcloud. I agree with you that being pro-feminist, for men, has to begin with being anti-porn as a bare minimum.

    I think that Amp’s blog was good, not because of Amp’s posts, but because it was so widely read and hence, it occasionally generated interesting comments from a wide diversity of viewpoints. There were opportunities for radical feminists to post our views there and to be read by people who normally would not read us, and I think that had value. Mostly, people who think they oppose radical feminism don’t really know what we believe. I’ve received actually quite a few e-mails over the years from women who became radical feminists because they read my and others’ posts on Alas.

    Over the last year or two, especially, I got disgusted because one too many radical feminists had ended up banned from Alas and so I didn’t often post (or read). But once in a while I thought there was value in posting to some thread or another. Well, not any more.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 9, 2006, 12:55 pm
  25. yeah,some threads are too depressing to even look at. Examples: the thread on why all kinds of coercive sex is not rape, and now a thread on how often women abuse the men in their lives, with belledame chiming in about women who scream and throw things and abuse their children as a way of getting to dad.

    Posted by saltyC | October 9, 2006, 1:08 pm
  26. Yeah, saltyC, the rape threads were way beyond the pale (although I don’t think that was your fault, Maia, if you’re reading this.) Increasingly over the past year, the blog posts there haven’t even been about feminism. They’ve been about all sorts of other stuff, which would not be really bad if at least in the course of talking about all the other stuff, women, women’s issues, feminism didn’t get short shrift on what has held itself out to be a feminist blog. I don’t know. Given that Amp sold his site months ago, he probably saw the handwriting on the wall. One way to ensure that you get a lot of support from progressives and liberals,  and conservatives, and neocons, and libertarians, for that matter, is to be the fun kind of feminist, never really taking women’s issues as seriously as you take all other possible issues.  Just like patriarchy/male heterosupremacy does.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 9, 2006, 1:24 pm
  27. Count me in as another who had no idea Ampersand had sunk to this level, but is not surprised. I have been wary of him ever since my first exchange with him on the Ms. board. Apparently he has revealed his true colors at last.

    Posted by Aletha | October 10, 2006, 4:17 am
  28. Does that linke appear on Alas or one of amp’s other pages? I cant find it.

    Posted by curiousgyrl | October 10, 2006, 3:50 pm
  29. Curiousgyrl, it is tricksy hobbits. Go down to the very bottom of the main page of Amp’s blog and you’ll see that there is a link to “software reviews.” If you click on that, it takes you to a page of “Reviews.” If you click on “websites,” it takes you to the porn reviews.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 10, 2006, 4:18 pm
  30. God, I wish I were surprised. I’m not. Holy shit.

    Posted by ginmar | October 10, 2006, 4:18 pm
  31. Wait a sec…

    Did any of you offer to help Barry with his server costs? Have any of you faced a financial situation where you wonder if you’ll be able to pay your bills, or, at a minimum, pay the costs of a server popular because what you write is so damn good?

    There is no man in weblogging who has done more for feminists and women than Barry at Alas. No man. And now, because he had to sell his domain to make ends meet, you indulge in jejune rejection of a person who has probably done more for weblogging than ANY of you…combined.

    Barry has my unconditional and complete and without reservation support. And I’ve been doing this, as he has, a heck of a lot longer than most of you outraged ladies.

    Posted by Shelley | October 10, 2006, 10:44 pm
  32. Note: Shelley’s is the only defense of Amp I am going to approve. I think that is more than fair, given that when he posted his “announcement” of Sept. 13, he didn’t allow for comments or trackbacks. His way was the highway. He didn’t want to hear about it.

    Shelley, please read the “The Revolution Will Be Commodified”? post up there. It answers your questions. I was a single mom with seven kids put out of business by the RR. I created a magazine which I built from a zine with 17 subscribers to an international four-color publication reaching 30,000 with 14,000 paid subscriptions. I had a pristine, very valuable mailing list and a magazine I could have sold to bail me out of my difficulties and so I could care for my kids. I didn’t do it because I didn’t feel it was the right thing to do without discussing it with all the people who had supported me all those years.  

    As I wrote in that post up there, Amp had lots of options. There were a lot more than I included in that post as well. One of Amp’s reasons for selling out was, someone who shared expenses with him — a man — thought he was going to be unemployed (but wasn’t as it turned out.) As someone wrote elsewhere, no need for that guy to worry about earning a living, there were plenty of women available to throw under a truck first.

    Amp didn’t make his blog what it was by himself just like I didn’t make my magazine what it was by myself. Alas was what it was because of all the people who participated, posted in a heartfelt and sincere way, in good faith, because of all the great women writers who created good discussions, feminist community, and who otherwise supported Alas.

    We all predicted a few women would jump to his support. Same as it ever was.

    As to what you think you and Barry have been doing forever and longer than us “ladies,” well, some of us have been writing our hearts out for all of our adult lives. I’ve been writing on the internet since 1994. I published a magazine for most of the years between 1989 and 2000.

    With all the restraint I can manage at the moment, I think, Shelley, that your loyalties are misplaced. Nobody has to sell their domain to make ends meet. Before you sell your domain to an outfit connected with hardcore, misogynist, racist pornography, when you hold yourself out to be a feminist, you get a second or third job or you asked your unemployed buddies who live with you to get any kind of job they can, or a second one, or a third one. Lots of us do that. LOTS of us.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 10, 2006, 11:28 pm
  33. And how does that justify Barry’s actions exactly?

    Oh, and don’t call us ladies.

    Posted by Laurelin | October 10, 2006, 11:30 pm
  34. Shelley
    Do you seriously think it appropriate for him to have PORN links in order to pay the bills? Especially when quite a number of his visitors were anti-porn. That’s the sellout. That is why the outrage, especially within the rad-fem community.

    It would be a different thing if he had links to, say, a mainstream video store that reviewed ‘regular’ films, or specialist auto sites or something, but no, it HAD to be porn. There are many legitimate forms of sponsorship that do NOT involve pornography.

    “Did any of you offer to help Barry with his server costs?”
    Did YOU not read the post in which Heart said that nobody knew until months after the deal was done? As you are so chummy with him, you must surely have known of his financial woe – how many bucks did you cough up?

    “There is no man in weblogging who has done more for feminists and women than Barry at Alas.”
    I seriously doubt it. It’s certainly the kind of help I can do without.

    “And I’ve been doing this, as he has, a heck of a lot longer than most of you outraged ladies.”
    Oh, so amount of blog-time outranks actual feminism (in the real world) does it? Crapola. That’s quite a lame way to claim fem-cred.

    “Barry has my unconditional and complete and without reservation support.”
    Crawl back to his den-o-porn then. Toodles.

    Posted by stormcloud | October 10, 2006, 11:50 pm
  35. (Sorry Heart, it’s late, the restrain-o-gadget is off-line in Stormyland)

    Posted by stormcloud | October 10, 2006, 11:54 pm
  36. At Laurelin’s place she wrote, in a list of suggestions to Amp that maybe he could have banned the number of anti-feminists and men’s rights guys who posted there and that would have cut the number of comments WAY down! That’s something that hasn’t been but touched on, the way all the haters whose posts Amp approved drove up both the number of hits and the number of comments, as misogynists, anti-feminists, racists, etc., spouted off endlessly, feminists responded with appropriate rage, then Amp told feminists to calm down, (but not sexists), then there were endless comments about why it was wrong to tell the feminists to calm down and not the anti-feminists, hence, more and more hits as assholes of all stripes show up, popcorn in hand, to watch the show.

    You start to wonder if maybe that was the whole intention, like a game, see how we can manipulate this thing to get as many hits as possible, plenty of licks in at radical feminists, who piss Amp off, all with the apparent justification that this is just “feminist debate,” the real goal being getting licks in at feminists then really getting one over on us by selling the domain to benefit pornhounds everywhere.

    I know one reason I’m angry is, I never really trusted Amp, but I tried to. One too many times. I gave him the benefit of the doubt one too many times, even though my peers and colleagues criticized me for it. Now I’m paying for it because AGAIN, I trusted a man when I never should have. AGAIN.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 11, 2006, 3:20 am
  37. True words Heart. I ignored my gut feeling, both with Amp and Pandagon.

    Posted by Pony | October 11, 2006, 6:25 am
  38. Uhh. What? Did we offer to HELP him? Who the fuck asked him to make himself Queen of the Feminists? He was doin this for himself not for us.

    Posted by Pony | October 11, 2006, 8:38 am
  39. Unfortunately, the only men who seem to want to ‘debate’ with feminists are the misogynists.

    Thankfully, I was never a regular visitor there.

    This incident, and others like it, just serve to do damage to the genuine pro-fem men out there, and reinforce the distrust factor residing within many (particularly older) feminists.

    Posted by stormcloud | October 11, 2006, 9:55 am
  40. Uhh. What? Did we offer to HELP him? Who the fuck asked him to make himself Queen of the Feminists? He was doin this for himself not for us.

    Yeah, no kidding. And what’s the message from Shelley? If women don’t “willingly” “help out” any man who needs “help”, those men are perfectly justified in taking whatever they think they need from women.

    Barry lives in a house with SIX other people. FOUR of the seven residents are unemployed. Why aren’t THEY “helping” him? When did it become women’s job to support a man, any man, in whatever he chooses to do? Oh, that’s right. It just never stopped.

    Why am I hearing “Stand By Your Man” playing ever so gently in the background? I suggest that “D-I-V-O-R-C-E” is more appropriate.

    And, Heart, don’t beat yourself up over posting at Barry’s blog. He used you. You’re not responsible for that.

    Posted by Char | October 11, 2006, 3:00 pm
  41. Heart, I’d like to second what Char said, please don’t give yourself a hard time. Ampersand is the one to blame for this whole incident, he’s a past-master at manipulation and getting things to go his way. It’s not like he’s not heard enough feminist commentary on his actions towards women already, but he still chose to go in this direction. It’s his responsibility not to behave like this, no-one else’s.

    Nice to hear that women’s bodies are being used to pay off *his* mortgage though. Yuck, yuck, yuck.

    Posted by delphyne | October 11, 2006, 4:33 pm
  42. Thanks, char and delphyne. You know, I guest blogged there *one time*. That one post prompted in 433 comments. :/ In general, my participation at Alas *did* result in a lot of activity, whenever I posted. As did ginmar’s. As did char’s and funnie’s before they were banned. A lot of the reason Amp got the hits he did, especially back a year or two before everybody got sick of the way anti-feminists dominated and left, had to do with all the anti-feminists having opportunity to duke it out with radical feminists. So when we went in there, we sort of had to weigh whether the possible benefit of posting there, i.e., getting the word out on things, getting our position out there where people could read it, was worth the risk that we’d be outnumbered by trolls, anti-feminists, men’s rights people, neocons, and it would just be a free for all that accomplished nothing but possibly getting one of us banned or whatever. I know one thing: if we thought that the way we were ratcheting up Amp’s google rating was going to go to benefit spammers and pornographers, as opposed to possibly making our own position and views more available and widely known, we wouldn’t have posted there at all. I mean, you don’t see radfems out posting randomly around on anti-feminist, nonfeminist sites for the heck of it, we posted there on that theoretically feminist site so that *our* views would come across the feminist radar along with all this myriad of other views that got posted there, some of which were feminist and many of which were not at all, talking now about all the neocons, libertarians, anti-feminists, SYG idiots, who have hung around at Alas through the years.

    Really, radfem participation *is* one reason Alas got the huge number of hits it got. That’s one thing that makes the whole thing so absolutely aggravating.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 11, 2006, 5:00 pm
  43. Laurelin, fair enough: you people.

    Heart, each of us must make our own individual decisions. You made a decision not to sell your list, and Amp made a decision to sell his domain. Your not selling your list has little to do with Amp selling his domain, because each situation has its own unique factors. You not selling your list does not somehow make your criticism of Amp more real than anyone else’s.

    What is real, is that I can disagree with your decision or Amp’s or agree or whatever, same as you can disagree with Amp’s decision or my response.

    I once had to ask my readers for help on paying my server expenses, and I hated doing it and said I never would again. I felt like I lost integrity by doing so, because then I was in a position of having to cater to my readers (though they’re a decent group and would never do such). I could see doing something such as selling my domain if I was in financial straits, because to me a domain is nothing more than a mnemonic for a physical location on a machine somewhere.

    It’s what we do in our spots that matter. I don’t see that Amp has suddenly started discussing the virtues of porn and started posting pictures of naked women. He has kept his weblog on a domain that does list links to porn sites. His google ranking means that Porn site A will now rank higher in Google than porn site B but it does not increase the number of porn sites nor impact on the porn industry in any way? All it means is a reshuffle in which porn site appears when people search for porn. That is NOT THE SAME as promoting porn. Please, stop with the hyperbole.

    The thing is, from the comments here, many of you have made up your minds about Amp even before this incident, so my indulging in debate is probably tantamont to shouting into the wind. I did want to respond to those who responded to me, though, because I do appreciate debate. Yes, even debate with other feminists — and I hope that no one things I don’t have a right to call myself feminist.

    Posted by Shelley | October 11, 2006, 5:25 pm
  44. Sorry, typos:

    …I hope that no one _thinks_ I don’t have the right…

    Posted by Shelley | October 11, 2006, 5:28 pm
  45. Shelley, I don’t think the issue is whose criticism is more real than whose, so I’m not following you there. I was responding to what sounded to me like your suggestion that we haven’t walked a mile in poor Ampersand’s shoes, haven’t suffered the debilitating financial woes he has been suffering having to pay his ISP bills, while sharing his household expenses with a mere five other people, and so we simply can’t relate to the stress of worrying about the ol’ budget. You know, in Amp’s announcement, the money problems hadn’t even *arrived* yet! According to him, they were able to pay everything every month but they were coming up a little short and if it “had continued,” ultimately they wouldn’t have been able to make it. Also figured in was someone who shares living expenses with Amp possibly losing his job– except that he didn’t lose his job after all!  We were supposed to, I don’t know, really feel him I guess because one guy in his house *might* be losing his job, that somehow should be figured into the desperation quotient, even though the negotiations went on for *months*, so that particular consideration had to have vanished long before the deal was cut.

    Where was the emergency? I’m not seeing it. Where was the crisis? Does Amp even KNOW who he’s talking to? Do *you* have any idea who you are talking to? There are amazing women bloggers on the internet, feminists, not going to link to them because I’m not sure they want me to, who have written at length about having to go on public assistance, who have had their ISP service cut off because they couldn’t pay for it and who were about to get the electricity cut off as well, who posted the above information from the fucking, pardon my french but not really, library they walked to because their car was broke down, but they kept on anyway because they blog for the love of it, blog because it’s activism to them. In the instance I just described regular commenters begged this particular very fine feminist blogger to PLEASE let us send her some money to pay her bills, please put a paypal thing up there, all the cool kids do it, and then there was this outpouring from her commenters about blogging while poor, blogging while struggling, feeling completely humiliated and embarrassed by one’s own poverty, and then there were idiots who came in with suggestions that the woman in question “get a job,” when in fact, she is a college student with two children and has THREE JOBS and still can’t pay her fricking bills.

    I have been in her situation MANY times, given that I have raised 11 children, most of the time as the sole provider for my family, I have not had anybody to rely on but myself, and yet just as the blogger I just mentioned did not, and would not, of that I am very sure, sell her domain to bail out her family, especially not to some pornhound outfit, neither would I.

    But somehow you expect that people like me, and like the blogger I mentioned (and I don’t even know if the blogger I mentioned is following this, I am not speaking for her, her situation just comes to mind, for those who do know who I’m talking about), should feel sorry for Ampersand who is coming up a little short, got a  little strain on the ol’ budget, so on that basis, he sells out to an outfit that promotes porn? You think she, or I, should be contributing to Amp’s penny jar in case he runs a little short down the line?

    Talk about fricking classist, absolutely privileged, white male-centric, ideation!

    As to this idea that all Amp did was help to reshuffle pornsite listings, that is not the point. The point is, I want NOTHING TO DO, and never will, never have, never would, want ANYTHING TO DO, with participating on some blog, as a feminist, in which my participation had anything to do with any porn sites at all. I don’t want my participation on a feminist blog to help to put the blogger in a position in which he is able to “help” SEO’s to boost the ratings of porn sites, shuffle the ratings of porn sites, whatever. That’s not why I blog to feminist sites! To make money for people who sell out to those who are reshuffling the ratings of porn sites!

    I am not being restrained here, am feeling very, very, VERY angry and feel another blog post coming on.

    Gotta quit.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 11, 2006, 5:51 pm
  46. I lied. One more thing.

    I have said somewhere in here that I didn’t really trust Amp, but I tried to, and one reason I’m so angry is, I feel that once again, I’ve stupidly trusted a man. Once again. Will I ever ever learn, ever. And yeah, I know, I shouldn’t be berating myself for it, thanks char and delphyne for the reminder, nevertheless, it makes me mad.

    One reason I talked myself into trusting him, ironically enough, is that he appeared to be footing his own bill for his blog. He wasn’t asking for money. There wasn’t even a paypal button there. He didn’t have advertising posted to his site. So I at least felt reassured that if my trust in Amp was misplaced, he wasn’t making money off of my poor judgment in having trusted him. Now that is all shot to hell. Either he was too proud to ask for help or to use advertising, or he didn’t figure he could rake in as much cold cash that way as he could by selling out to the idiot who is hoping to shuffle his pornhounds’ links to a little higher spot on Google. In any event, bottom line, he cashed in on my willingness to believe the best about him. That is betrayal anyway you slice it.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | October 11, 2006, 5:55 pm
  47. His google ranking means that Porn site A will now rank higher in Google than porn site B but it does not increase the number of porn sites nor impact on the porn industry in any way? All it means is a reshuffle in which porn site appears when people search for porn. That is NOT THE SAME as promoting porn. Please, stop with the hyperbole.

    It’s not hyperbole. If what the company paid him to do works (and they’re smart enough to know their business, so it must work to some extent, eh?), Porn Site A will also become a higher result in legitimate searches.

    Take, for example, the searches performed by underaged children looking for legit sex ed. Let’s say they google “puberty.” And then Porn Site B will buy the another site similar to Barry’s in order to keep up.

    And your local school or library will end up having to install filters so that people aren’t hit across the face with porn they weren’t looking for because of search-engine shenanigans.

    And those filters will prevent legit sites from being seen. Have you never heard of a girl or woman not being able to access Planned Parenthood from a public computer?

    Whose fault do you think all this IS? Porn company A, yes. And its employees. Which Barry basically is, for one year.

    Don’t buy Barry’s bull about Porn Site Competitors A and B. It’s clear that he’s spent a long time devising a complicated explanation for that which is actually quite simple: He got paid. He lied, first by omission and then by deception. He’s doing something most internet-users find unethical. And he’s doing something a LOT of women who have supported him find abhorrent and personally harmful.

    So maybe that bears a bit more scrutiny than you’re giving it.

    True, many of the women criticizing him now are not his friends (though some are). But that MUST be because of illegitimate personal excuses, right, not that they see things differently than you do, politically?

    I, for one, am quite sure he hasn’t done feminism any favors on the internet, despite associating himself with it for personal gain.

    You’re of course free to dismiss me as a grudge-holding harpy, should you so choose.

    Posted by funnie | October 11, 2006, 6:15 pm
  48. Absolute agreement:
    Char, Delphyne & Heart.

    Shelley
    His sellout not only indirectly uses women he’s never met (the ones in the porn, who probably won’t get paid for most of the slobbery male gaze via the links), but sells out the women whom have supported him over the years and contributed to his site’s popularity (making it a viable SEO target).

    The whole ‘porn listing A’ ‘porn listing B’ thing is semantics, or shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. “The porn exists anyway, so no harm done”. Is a justification without looking at the morality of selling out women.

    And if you don’t want to be concerned with men selling, or selling out women, then don’t be a feminist. I’m sure that that is in the Feminism-101 Handbook somewhere… here it is, Page 1. The Welfare of All Women (not just yourself)… Page 4 Stop excusing/justifying male behaviour.

    Posted by stormcloud | October 11, 2006, 6:30 pm
  49. And also absolute (super duper) agreement with Funnie,
    whose comment must have been sitting in mod when I wrote my last one.

    Posted by stormcloud | October 11, 2006, 10:05 pm
  50. Funnie said: “Take, for example, the searches performed by underaged children looking for legit sex ed.”

    Or anyone searching for anything, in some cases, though this in this case is was a child:

    Triggering, and there’s a very large, somewhat obscured screenshot of the video in the middle of the article, so I’m posting the entirety of the text below.

    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200609/200609280021.html

    “Gang Rape Clip Shocks Child in Search of Ideas

    An elementary student looking for a homework shortcut was shocked to be rewarded with a video clip of a gang rape. The clip appeared when he typed the words “a novel idea” into the Naver search engine, his homework assignment having been to come up with one. The seven-minute porn video was accessible to anyone without restrictions online for 18 days.

    The child was so startled by the brutal novelty before him that he turned off the screen, but his parents found out and alerted the press. In the video, a woman is dragged into a room by two men who proceed to put a beer bottle into her vulva and take turns raping her.

    Naver is washing its hands of the matter, saying it cannot screen out porn videos since they get reposted on plenty of blogs and no one reported it. “It is impossible for us to manage all web content since more than 10 million users upload content every day,” Korea’s biggest portal says. The phrase “a novel idea” become the most frequently searched on Naver now.”

    Posted by Melissa | October 11, 2006, 10:42 pm
  51. The internet SHOULD be a safe place for children, and anyone else who doesn’t want to be bombarded with porn.

    So too should shops. But over here in the UK, Lads’ Mags (and other adult material) are so in-your-face where-ever one goes.

    I could PERHAPS be more moderate in my anti-porn stance, if it weren’t rammed down my throat everywhere. (Although I still have major issues with the woman abuse element. The fact that the pornographers are ramming their vile product at us everywhere, just makes me MORE angry, and far more active to fight against it.)

    Posted by stormcloud | October 12, 2006, 9:08 am
  52. Wow, Melissa. Exactly so.😦

    Have you considered posting that at Alas? There isn’t much point in posting much of anything there…but since the fiction over what harm Barry’s action can possibly cause (none) is already fairly entrenched, it would be nice for his supporters to be informed about what really happens because porn-SEOs are able to buy sites like Barry’s, and how they use the credibility feminist bloggers gave him by their links.

    Then, if they continue to support his decision, it’s on them.

    Posted by funnie | October 12, 2006, 12:54 pm
  53. Stormy or Shelley put me down for a couple copies of that porn id manual when you have finished it please.

    Posted by Pony | October 12, 2006, 5:23 pm
  54. Pony, did you misread my last (badly phrased) comment?

    I am anti-porn primarily because of the harm done to women both directly and indirectly.

    Having porn shoved in my face, just gives me the angry motivation I need to really fight it. (Perhaps like a reminder of the enemy?)

    I’m NOT pro-porn, nor do I think (esp because of the porn climate) that there can be ‘good’ porn. It’s even tainted nudity. I’m quite for censorship, and throwing the baby out with the bathwater, if this is the only way we can eradicate it. Porn is NOT an essential part of life. Porn is NOT essential to sexual enjoyment (quite the opposite). Porn and sex are NOT the same thing. I’m NOT pro-porn.

    Please don’t lump me in with Shelley, aka Barry’s handmaiden.

    Posted by stormcloud | October 12, 2006, 6:19 pm
  55. I should have also clarified what I meant by ‘moderate’.

    Which was to moderately fight against it, on an occasional basis like once a week or once a month or whenever, rather than my current status of DAILY and at EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

    Posted by stormcloud | October 12, 2006, 6:47 pm
  56. Apologies for not taking the time to make sure who I was responding to Stormcloud. I was running out the door and logging off on the fly.

    Posted by Pony | October 12, 2006, 8:41 pm
  57. Hi, I’ve just read back through my post and trackback, and I’m not comfortable with the word ‘condemnation’ referring to Heart’s position. For me ‘condemnation’ is too total and has overtones of religion, and I don’t believe Heart has used this word herself, so I’ll be changing it to the word ‘opposition’. I hope you don’t mind me revising my words.
    Thanks and strength and peace to everyone

    Posted by natasha | October 13, 2006, 5:04 pm
  58. p.s. I really want to be careful with language because I know that in the past the way people/men describe strong reactions also reveals the respect (or disapproval or, worse, the ridicule) the describer has for those reactions/opinions. What I’m trying to say is that the word ‘condemnation’ struck me as in some way negative or undermining. Hence the change, because I respect Heart’s position here.

    Posted by natasha | October 13, 2006, 5:07 pm
  59. Thanks, Natasha– I think “opposition” is a better word, or “challenge,” or something like that.

    Heart

    Posted by Heart | October 13, 2006, 6:17 pm
  60. Funnie, I really have no desire to go there, let alone post, but anyone who does is more than welcome to re-post what I wrote. With, I hope, a phrase that makes sense, not the f’d up one I posted: “…though this in this case is was a child” Jeezus, I was sleep-deprived that day. It should say, “…though in this case it was a child.”

    Posted by Melissa | October 13, 2006, 6:33 pm
  61. I hadn’t given much thought to AMPs bloggers, thinking since they didn’t holler, they were fine with being part of pushing porn.

    Seems AMP uhhhh forgot to mention this to some of the WRITERS who helped him build his site into something saleable and profitable.

    What a betrayal.
    http://blog.shrub.com/

    October 13, 2006

    On the Alas Controversy
    by Andrea Rubenstein [tekanji] @ 12:07 am

    I would just like to inform my readership that, after careful consideration, I have decided to remove the link to Alas, a Blog and remove my postings there from when I guest posted.

    etc.

    Posted by Pony | October 13, 2006, 7:37 pm

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