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Seung-hui Cho’s Sister Heads Iraq Reconstruction Agency in State Dept., Works for McNeil Technologies; Father Worked in Saudi Arabia; Aunt Says Cho Was Diagnosed Autistic, Many Questions, Few Answers

According to the English version of the Korean newspaper Chosun

The older sister of Virginia Tech shooter Cho Seung-hui works for McNeil Technologies, a contractor for the State Department in a reconstruction project in Iraq. Three years her brother’s senior, Cho Sun-kyung graduated from Centerville High School and went to Princeton University in 2000. After completing the undergraduate course with a major in economics in 2004, she returned home to work in Virginia and lives with her parents.

Headquartered in Springfield, Virginia, McNeil Technologies provides information management and analysis, language services and program assistance to customers, mainly U.S. government agencies like the departments of defense and energy.

Cho’s parents are Cho Sung-tae, 61, and Cho Hyang-ai, 51.  According to an article in the Guardian:

Cho’s mother was forced into an arranged marriage with his father, Sung-tae, who was 10 years older and from a very different background. She was from a well-educated family of North Korean landowners who had been forced to flee without possessions during the Korean war; he was from a poor family in the south but had made enough money to marry by working in Saudi Arabia for 10 years ion construction sites and oil fields.

As Hyan-im was 29– a late age for a woman to find a husband in South Korea– her father told her she had to accept the proposal.

Kim Yang Sun

According to an article about Cho’s parents in the Mirror UK in which reporters spoke with Kim Yang Sun, 85, (above) an aunt of Cho:

After they were married he went away twice to Saudi Arabia in the 80s to try to make some money in the construction boom. He came back with about £2,000, which was enough to buy a small house in Seoul. He also ran a second-hand bookstore. His mother was living in the States on a long term visit to stay with his sister. She asked him to bring his family to live there.

According to Yang Sun, Cho was diagnosed as autistic shortly after he arrived in the United States with his parents.  She said that Cho’s parents did not seek special treatment for him because they were poor, could not afford it, and had to work to survive.

From the McNeil Technologies website, following are some of the “services” the contractor provides:

  • Intelligence Architecture Operations in support of the US Army Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC).
  • Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) which supports the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and other government agencies, and
  • HUMINT (Human Intel) operations in support of DIA, or with federal counter Intel outsourcing effort.
  • Our Linguist operations, with linguists deployed in various theaters of operations,
  • Translation operations which include document and website translation,
  • Testing, Training and Research of language and cultural awareness.

The Security Center at McNeil Technologies provides “full spectrum security services:”

  • …Physical Security which includes Access control, escorts, and Guard services, Electronic systems monitoring, as well as classified mailroom and package inspection.
  • Personnel and Logistics Support is provided by MILPO operations
  • Program Security consists of arms control and nonproliferation support, treaty vulnerability assessments, and support of Balanced Survivability Assessments

Maybe there is little relevance or significance in these connections, this assortment of facts.  If you read this article about Sun Cho, Cho’s sister, she sounds progressive.  She spent time working with migrant workers in Burma as a grad student and says the experience deeply affected her and resulted in her changing her thesis.   We all  have to work, and when we are at war,  as in the war we’ve made on Iraq, there are plenty of jobs available for college-educated, multilingual persons with companies which contract with the Department of Defense.  It sounds sort of positive to work for a company which is helping to oversee “Reconstruction” efforts in Iraq.   Perhaps Sun Cho’s work has no more significance than that she needed a job and this was the job she found.

As to the father’s work in Saudi Arabia, it’s entirely possible that he was just one of the many Asian people who were poor and took their poportunity to earn much-needed cash by shipping out to work construction in Saudi Arabia.   From what I’ve read, Asian workers in Saudi Arabia are, in general, treated poorly, and his work may have had no significance other than, he needed cash to support his family.

Maybe it’s true that Cho was diagnosed autistic.  This would have been decades ago, in the dark ages so far as the way autism was diagnosed, and especially, treated.  There is no reason to believe Cho’s aunt would lie about this; there is also no reason, in particular, to believe that the diagnosis of autism was correct.  This was a quiet young immigrant boy who didn’t speak English or spoke English poorly and who was being diagnosed by white American doctors.

So.  Maybe there is no significance in any of this information.  Or maybe there is.  At the very least, it is really interesting and thought-provoking.   These are the questions and thoughts which come to my mind:

  • What the heck is “Open Source Intelligence”? (!) Something like Wikipedia intelligence?  A gathering of helpful hints and factoids about easy-to-implement espionage, psy-ops, black-ops, photo-ops, surveillance you can use at home?
  • How creepy is the creep factor of the acroynym “HUMINT” for “human intelligence?”  This is spies, right?  I mean, “HUM” intelligence as opposed to what kind?  Nonhuman?
  • What might the term “Intelligence Architecture Operations” mean?  Is that something like engineering, designing, building a surveillance/intelligence infrastructure?  Sounds  like it to me.
  • These acronyms and strange terms are redolent of language used by the Unification Church (“Moonies”), a shadowy, extremely conservative religious organization with a lot of money and many powerful connections worldwide, whose founder and leader, Sun Myung Moon, is South Korean.
  • It sounds like Cho’s father was in Iraq during the Desert Storm era.  Is there any end to the way the U.S. moves the world’s citizens around in order to support its ongoing commitment to, and activities around, accessing, make war over, mining for, making friends with the owners of, and depleting the world of, oil?
  • Who might Cho’s father have met in Saudi Arabia?
  • The implications of Cho having been diagnosed as autistic, if he really was, and yet gaining admission to Virginia Tech and presumably performing adequately are staggering. 

There is more about some of these and other possibly interesting connections here.  The comments thread has interesting discussion of the issue Akkari, I think, raised as to how Cho might have developed the gun-handling expertise he demonstrated in the shootings.  As one commenter said, “You don’t get that playing video games.”

Thinking about all of this can become sort of a postmodern hell experience.  Is this a story about marginalized people, trying to survive, struggling, and one of them losing it in a spectacular way?  Is there a story underneath about the way these very human struggles might have been exploited by Americans with money and power in ways which aren’t readily apparent?  Or was the shooter, like so many other, similar shooters in American  history (supposedly), just a disturbed loner, playing copycat in a way which was deadly and horrifying, but which seems eerily familiar,  because by now, it is a familiar story to Americans, especially, and so there is the temptation to create connections out of whatever clues we can find, just to make sense of what in fact is senseless? 

Does the press sensationalize and hype everything because that’s what Americans want?  Because the press is racist and xenophobic or Americans are racist and xenophobic?  Or underneath the hyping and sensationalism is something else at work, an interest in diverting attention from other important issues, like the Gonzalez fiasco, or our obvious failure, as Harry Reid called it, in Iraq?  If so, what would the mechanics of that diversion actually be?   A straight up orchestrating of a calamity?   Or “just” exploiting a calamity for partisan purposes? 

Or might it just be that Americans are more interested in following calamities like this  one than the usual calamities, like thousands of people dead in Iraq and hundreds more every day, like the unprecedented dismissals of highly respected Attorneys General, with the knowledge of Karl Rove, at least, and possibly George Bush himself?  Or “smaller” calamities, mostly of interest, sadly and discouragingly, to women — like the exoneration of the Duke stripperhounds, like the outlawing of “partial birth abortion” so called, like the unfinished business and partisan and diplomatically sensitive politicking around Japan’s treatment of the “Comfort Women,” many of whom, and among the most visible of whom, interestingly, are South Korean

Just questions is all I have right now, no answers.

Link to Evelina Galang’s blog post which lists an e-mail address for Asian-American activists hoping to connect and help Asian-American students at Virginia Tech.

Heart

Discussion

21 thoughts on “Seung-hui Cho’s Sister Heads Iraq Reconstruction Agency in State Dept., Works for McNeil Technologies; Father Worked in Saudi Arabia; Aunt Says Cho Was Diagnosed Autistic, Many Questions, Few Answers

  1. I saw a small snippet of the videotape that Cho sent to the newsroom. I thought he looked like a sad loser trying to make a name for himself – if he couldn’t make famous, then infamous would do.

    As for your questions — I really don’t know.

    Posted by stormy | April 21, 2007, 5:04 pm
  2. How did Cho get to be such a good shot?

    Posted by profacero | April 21, 2007, 6:23 pm
  3. I know a lot of this may tie into Akkarri’s theory, thus exposing the U.S. government, –which I believe is a strong possibility. Nevertheless, I am not sure about showing his sister and other family member’s photo. They are still alive and will need to live on. By all accounts, his sister is an American and as a fellow American, she deserves her privacy.

    Not to be a censure or be a buzz kill, but looking at a picture of his sister just does not feel right. I’m scared for her and feel deep sympathy for her and her parents.

    Posted by chasingmoksha | April 21, 2007, 6:49 pm
  4. Unless of course she okay’d the release. Perhaps it humanizes her for the people who may be bloodthirsty and want to say she should pay for her brother’s evils.

    It still does not feel right.

    Posted by chasingmoksha | April 21, 2007, 6:50 pm
  5. Thank you for doing this journalism… this post was an eye opening, provocative read for me.

    I just wanted to comment that I don’t think “reconstruction” is a good thing. The US government and contractors like McNeil are a loosely connected but carefully aligned operation. They have two strategies:

    1) Saddle countries with loans (from the World Bank) for building infrastructure that countries don’t need. Make sure the loans are too big for them to repay. and make sure the contracts specify that they have to use US contractors like McNeil. After all that money gets pumped back into the US economy, and the recipient country inevitably defaults on the loans, force the countries to make political concessions. This is how US companies got drilling rights in Ecuador against the will of the people.

    2) Bomb the shit out of them. Send in US contractors and “protect” their “reconstruction” rights with US troops. Build all kinds of infrastructure that they don’t need. Saddle the new government you create with the debt, or just add the tab to the trillions of debt the federal government already holds.

    I read most of this in John Perkins’ Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. The prologue is online, and is a great read. I heartily recommend the whole book, it really changed my perspective.

    And I never thought about it this way until now, but maybe it’s really about how the patriarchy works on an international level, where entire countries are being subjugated, instead of gender/sex/ethnic/cultural groups.

    Posted by Erik Pukinsis | April 21, 2007, 7:09 pm
  6. Chasingmoksha, I think you’re right about Sun Cho’s photo and have removed it. My thought was to humanize her, but you’re right, it’s risky, and I don’t have her permission. I feel safer about Cho’s aunt’s photo, since she lives in the country in South Korea, not in the U.S. amidst the maniacs.:/

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | April 21, 2007, 7:41 pm
  7. From what I’ve seen, the VA tech classrooms are very small with no exits and nowhere to hide except under the desks. At least one of his weapons was a semi-automatic handgun with rapid fire and a large clip. All he had to do was stand at the door and spray the room. There’s no need for a high level of skill.

    Posted by Miranda | April 21, 2007, 10:08 pm
  8. I have to say I am concerned that Cho has been identified as “autistic”. As the sister of an autistic boy, I am quite sensitive about representations of autism in malestream society. And I worry about what the average joe might take from a news article that says Cho was autistic. I wonder if this will become autism=murder. And I wonder what actual percentage of criminals are autistic and what actual percentage of autistic men and wimmin have criminal records?

    Given my sensitivity on this issue, I am disinclined to accept that the fact that Cho was autistic is relevant. Unless of course there is reason to believe that if not raised/treated with respect and the care they need, autistic people are more likely to commit crimes (but then again, who isn’t more likely to commit crimes if they aren’t raised or treated with the respect and care they require?)

    Posted by Sazz | April 21, 2007, 11:05 pm
  9. Thank you Heart, your kind heart is greatly appreciated.

    Posted by chasingmoksha | April 22, 2007, 12:44 am
  10. I think it is light-years beyond the realm of chance that Cho’s sister has a job with the State Dept., *especially* one having to do with reconstruction in Iraq (of all places!)– where wads of money are spiralling into a black hole there, and can be diverted to/for other things, or used as a convenient cover for the ‘tidying up’ of questionable lump-sums, not unlike what the Moonies did in South Korea for [drum-roll, please] the CIA. Ditto that VA Tech itself has CIA connections, with active recruitment having gone on there. In just a few days, bloggers and alt.news sites are kicking out so many CIA links that it is almost humorous, and in the face of this, VA Tech starts ‘sanitizing’ its website of mentions/links concerning the CIA??? This is *not* the behavior of sincere folks with ‘nothing to hide’…

    Someone wondered why the CIA/powers-that-be might use a ‘leaky’ shooter situation to take the heat off another ‘leaky’ situation in 9/11: it’s a temporary stop-gap measure, to be sure, but there is a lot of floundering going on right now because both 9/11 and the repeated use of ‘troubled loner’ shooting sprees as destabilizers/distractions have grown unwieldy. With 9/11, one has insurmountable forensics problems that derive from the official version of events: when these supposed events are compared to the actual laws of physics and chemistry, there are either some serious problems with the official story, or else 9/11 was a miracle that supernaturally suspended the laws of physics and metallurgy. With the shooters now having been used so often, observation over time is revealing both a kind of ‘cookie-cutter’ M.O. as well as government/spook links to various shooters showing up the minute people start digging at the whys and wherefores. The organizations using these ‘methods’ are beginning to discover the hard way that they can be overused. Overuse over-exposes method and makes it easier and easier to discern patterns that indicate clearly that ‘something is up’.

    At this point, I have three more questions:

    1. What *exactly* is Cho’s sister doing insofar as the reconstruction of Iraq goes? (i.e., what is her exact job description, and is she handling monies?)

    2. Who got her the current job she holds? (i.e., who mentored her, and what are their connections?)

    3. If people keep asking questions about/being interested in what Ms. Cho does, will she suddenly and magically change jobs? (This being a dead giveaway that her money-management usefulness collapsed like a souffle under an elephant’s backside once her hidden connections became public…)

    As I have said before, Women are excellent strategists/tacticians, and are really, REALLY good at spotting collusion because of direct experience with same on a daily basis. A hearty ‘thank-you’ to the patriarchy for training us so well!

    Posted by akkarri | April 22, 2007, 4:05 am
  11. Human Intelligence as opposed to Artificial Intelligence
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

    And I am also apprehensive about the stigmatizing of autistic people as much as I am about the interest in the killer’s family (and don’t see why the sister’s job would be of any public interest) .

    Don’t give people guns, then people won’t be able to shoot people – THAT is the ultimate cause of tragedies like this one, not the question whether anybody has been diagnosed with autism or whether his sisters works in intelligence or not.

    Posted by anaj | April 22, 2007, 9:57 am
  12. I am sorry Heart but some things are being proclaimed on this thread as truths yet are anything but. I have no problem with people believing what they want to believe that is everyone right, but to state as fact
    ‘when these supposed events are compared to the actual laws of physics and chemistry, there are either some serious problems with the official story, or else 9/11 was a miracle that supernaturally suspended the laws of physics and metallurgy’
    is disingenuous at least.

    The scientific community have got so fed up with the misinformation surrounding the September 11th events that a well respected scientific publication has taken on the onious task of addressing the bad science and myths surrounding the events.

    I guess that we will end up debating the melting point of metal as I have seen so many threads decend into, but at least allow scientists who are leader in their fields explan what they believe happened instead of listening to people who make outragious claims that they back up with bad data, and junk science. These people on the whole are not trained scientists, and are only intrested in anything that backs up their cockamanie therioes. Any data that conflicts with their theories is dismissed. This is not how science works.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

    Lastly on the story of cho’s sister, what a shock, CIA recruits from university campus? Here in the UK MI5 and MI6 almost exclusivly recruit from universities, and until recently exclusivly from Oxford and Cambridge. I would guess for any decent inteligence service that universties are the best places to recruit the type of person they are looking for.
    I don’t for one minute accept that this is proof that cho’s sister is working for the CIA either.

    Posted by Corneilius | April 23, 2007, 10:07 am
  13. Cornelius, I don’t think that anybody has attempted to offer any sort of proof of anything? Women are just thinking about things, throwing stuff out there. When scientists do that, they call it “hypothesizing,” and of course, everybody knows the hypothesis is giong to need to be tested, and nobody thinks anyone is attempting to “prove” anything. When corporate types think about things and throw things out there, it is called “brainstorming,” and nobody would characterize the others’ ideas as something someone is trying to “prove,” everybody knows, we’re just throwing stuff out there. When women gather to throw stuff out there, however, we quickly become, I don’t know, enemies of science or tinfoil-hat wearers or quacks and crazies or something like that. I appreciate a lot of what you write and really have valued your comments on SM and pornography; I’m hoping you’ll take this in the spirit in which I’m offering it. Honestly: if you pay attention you’ll see that there is sexism working there, when women are dismissed and criticized for throwing ideas and theories out there, whereas when men do it, it’s valorized in various ways. I don’t see that anybody here has suggested anything proves anything. So far there’s just been discussion. Why is that a problem? Why would it be that any of us, in a discussion thread, has to offer up scientific or any other kind of proofs for anything we say? We are all intelligent people here, capable of rejecting whatever doesn’t make sense to us.

    Additionally, while science is important and valuable, it is historically and traditionally very very male because until very recently, far and away most scientists were men; women were socially, legally prevented from participating in science as a discipline, kept from becoming scientists, because they were female. What that means is that women have not been present in science other than in tiny numbers, certainly women have not participated, other than, again, in tiny numbers, in the scientific creation of theories, processing of ideas and analyzing of facts, and so on. For that reason, as women, we are rightfully and reasonably skeptical of science and of scientists. The fact that someone who is not a “trained scientist” offers up a theory doesn’t in and of itself make the theory “cockamamie,” and the fact that a “trained scientist” offers a theory doesn’t make the theory somehow good or valid or something we ought to ooh and aah over, and in particular because a man offered it!

    As women, we have learned that the “experts” and the “trained” very often do not have our best interests at heart, and so, those of us committed to the liberation of women, reserve judgment about all of the stuff these “experts” and the “trained” do. Some “trained scientists”, those in the fields of medical research and medicine, psychological research and psychology, etc., in particular, have used their training and expertise to butcher and torture girls and women, you know? So we don’t just bow down before what these guys say. We have our own ideas. We have our own observations which we have made over decades and which our mothers and grandmothers also made and passed along to us which make us rightly skeptical of the way mostly male science and scientists are revered and adored under male heterosupremacy.

    In my own post here, I said I don’t know if *anything* I posted there is relevant to anything. I don’t. I don’t know if there is any particular meaning in anything beyond the facts themselves. I was pretty clear about that. I think other women here have come in and suggested certain things. I see no reason to become agitated about that, let alone rejecting what women here have said out of hand in ways that are insulting and possibly sexist. Women are just talking in here. Nobody is trying to prove anything. We do not have some goal of establishing once and for all anything at all. We are just kickin’ it.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | April 23, 2007, 11:45 am
  14. Please know that I say this as someone who knows that the US Gov’t, and particularly the CIA, is capable of doing virtually anything (and HAS):

    The conspiracy talk is a bunch of BS that people should be embarrassed to guess about as they are.

    Certainly it’s not up to Cornelius to decide what’s acceptable.

    But I haven’t seen one decent reason to even wonder whether the shooter was something other than a terribly fucked-up man, and I think it’s beyond the pale to whisper about the accomplished sister who had the misfortune of growing up in the same house with him (and who, as an Ivy League econ major, was quite possibly resented by him for achieving so much more than a state-school English major).

    I don’t think she deserves to be scrutinized and discussed because of his brutality. And I think making this about Moonies or Korea or the feds or the CIA is disrespectful to a lot more than her.

    It’s not like we don’t know and believe that men who don’t get the things they think they’re due are more than capable of this. It’s not like we don’t have it on good authority from several women that this guy acted like an entitled possible-assaulter. Why de-emphasize for even one second the fact that this guy was a creep and stalker and clandestine photographer and threatener of women in order to read the CIA tea-leaves in his sister’s career?!?!?!

    Posted by funnie | April 24, 2007, 1:19 pm
  15. Why de-emphasize for even one second the fact that this guy was a creep and stalker and clandestine photographer and threatener of women in order to read the CIA tea-leaves in his sister’s career?!?!?!

    Because focusing on what an anomaly this guy is and what a creepy stalker and clandestine photographer he is allows people to proceed with demonizing one man — a man who happens to be an immigrant and a man of color, single, no kids, young, and hence, very easy to demonize and blow off as “other,” not like all the “regular “guys, not like all the “good guys,” not like all us white, nachurl-born Americenz especially. It isn’t in women’s, or anyone’s best interests in my view to participate in any such demonizing, in particular, it’s not in the interests of immigrants and people of color, as though this one man is oh-so-different from all other men especially American white guys. My hind end he is.

    Please know that I say this as someone who knows that the US Gov’t, and particularly the CIA, is capable of doing virtually anything (and HAS):

    If you know this, then you will have done study/reading/research as to *how* the U.S. Government and CIA do what they do, as to the *ways* they work, precisely and specifically, and if you had, I doubt you’d have scolded us and told us to be very embarrassed and so on.

    I think you’re picking and choosing as to what has been said here about the sister. I was really fair as to her and others here have been, too. Talking about her and her work goes to the point I made about knowing HOW the CIA and the U.S. government do what they do. They USE people. All sorts of people. People you’d never think they would use.

    So, that’s why.

    Heart

    Posted by Heart | April 24, 2007, 3:44 pm
  16. I don’t follow your reasoning, Heart. Since when is a creepy stalker and clandestine photographer an anomaly among men? It would be so easy to point out all the instances of “white nachurl born Americanz” doing the same, to say nothing of the fact that every other school shooter, with the exception of Jeff Weise and Laurie Dann, was a white natural born American man (or boy). And how does speculating about Koreans as being particularly vulnerable to CIA machinations serve *not* to demonize them? Are gays less demonized by being thought to be more vulnerable to blackmail? No, they are just less likely to be trusted in sensitive positions and discriminated against more. OK, this analogy is not perfect as being a CIA operative would be *more* likely to get one into a sensitive goevernment job, not less, but I still think that, if anything, this would serve to demonize him (and all Koreans) to the American populace even more.

    Posted by Branjor | April 25, 2007, 1:11 pm
  17. Branjor, I’m saying a creepy stalker and clandestine photographer is NOT an anomaly. I’m saying just what you’re saying. There are plenty of people interested in demonizing Cho because he is easy for white Americans to demonize, and demonizing is what happens when you say that this was a “lone gunman,” working by himself, etc. He’s not white, he’s an immigrant, he’s young– he is very expendable as male supremacy counts such things. I’m not going to participate in that when I know — just as you said — that there is nothing anomalous about this guy. That’s exactly what I’m saying, too.

    Who speculated that Koreans were particularly vulnerable to CIA machinations? Akkari referenced Koreagate; I don’t know what that reference is to, but that isn’t a statement about “Koreans” anymore than Watergate is a statement about Americans or Ampgate is a statement about bloggers. Having said all of that, the Rev Sun Myung Moon and his Unification Church are suspect for all sorts of reasons, which is another thread for another day, but what makes his organization suspect is its power, its influence, its money, and its connections and associations and tons of money funneled to political thinktanks and organizations and politicians on the Religious Right in the U.S. The fact that Moon is Korean is incidental, of interest to me only because Cho was South Korean and his family was said to be devoutly Christian (the Unification Church identifies as conservative and Christian).

    I don’t see any suggestions about vulnerability to blackmail here. Where the talk is about the CIA, all of the demonizing is OF the CIA. Not the people the CIA finds ways to use.

    Heart

    Posted by Heart | April 25, 2007, 3:47 pm
  18. Heart, I haven’t replied to your comment for a few days to give myself time to consider what you said, it was quite a shock to be told that my comments where sexist. I know I have a lot to learn, and certainly your writing has made me consider things I had not before, and made me realise things I had not even contemplated before.
    Can I just give a little background about where I am coming from? I used too keep my opinions to myself, if I came across people who held opinions I found offensive I would go else ware, and not confront them. I did this when I came into contact with the sadistic ‘lifestyle’ (sic). I was not involved myself but a friend of a friend was involved. I had no idea about what BDSM or S&M even meant. Eventually I was invited to talk in a BDSM chat room, and lasted all of 10 mins. I am good at spotting bullshitters having spent my teenage years in car sales, and the slightest contact with these sadists had all my bullshit alarms ringing. It wasn’t instant dislike, I found these people, especially the men who seemed to be exclusively called master, deeply offensive.
    Long story short, the friend who introduced me to the room, and who only said they went in because they felt safer online, ended up in a sadistic relationship with one of the sadists. I have had no contact with them since their involvement.
    I learned my lesson in quite a harrowing way that if you do not stand up and point out what you believe to be wrong, then you have a degree of responsibility if it becomes widely believed.

    Now I don’t for one minute think that this does not make me immune to sexist opinions, and I certainly do not want to sound like so many racists (if you will alow me to use a similar ‘ism’) who I continually hear stating ‘I am not a racist but’ then showing that they are racist.

    I agree that some Scientist’s certainly have a lot to answer for and that science does not have the answer to every one of life’s problems. There is room for spirituality, I would describe myself as religious, and there is quite a good article in Wednesday’s Guardian addressing this very theme.

    http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/news/story/0,,2064899,00.html

    I am deeply sorry if I have offended anyone, yourself included Heart, and I shall continue to try to struggle against millennia of conditioning which might just be creeping up without me realising.

    Finally Heart, I notice that you post links to many articles in the Guardian, which just happens to be the paper I read. Can I recommend a series that they are giving away in the paper this week, great speeches of the 20th century? Today is Emily Pankhurst’s ‘Freedom or Death’ speech from 1913. Nelson Mandela’s speech at his trial in the 1960’s, and FDR’s ‘You have nothing to fear but fear itself’ have been highlights so far.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/greatspeeches/story/0,,2059235,00.html

    Posted by Corneilius | April 27, 2007, 10:27 am
  19. Heart, I think your representation of my last paragraph is extremely selective – one must hike a pretty long way to believe that the things I said about Cho have to do with him as an “anomaly” (to use your word, not mine) in some racist way, and not as merely one example of the aggression common to men in our society…considering that MY paragraph leads “It’s not like we don’t know and believe that men who don’t get the things they think they’re due are more than capable of this.”

    Secondly, re this post:

    If you know this, then you will have done study/reading/research as to *how* the U.S. Government and CIA do what they do, as to the *ways* they work, precisely and specifically, and if you had, I doubt you’d have scolded us and told us to be very embarrassed and so on.

    Believe it. I meant what I said. I know what the CIA does, thank you. And I still think it’s embarrassing to raise conspiracy questions concerning a woman on the occasion of her brother’s male-privilege blowout. I think it’s embarrassing to use the occasion of terroristic womanhating pursuit and harrassment of women in order to ask whether the sister’s career played an important role. Yes, I think that is embarrassing.

    Posted by funnie | April 30, 2007, 2:38 pm
  20. Maybe, Cho was angry about the poor dying people in the world killed by those rich white boys dads he sees at Tech.

    He was angry with his dad and sister who both have long intelligence connections. His uncle in KCIA, his dad former defense minister
    and his sister who overseas murder inc in Iraq.

    It may have been to much for the sensitive young man to take. Or, just maybe he was a brain washed Moonie who believed he was
    carrying out MOON GOD’s plan for America. The coming MOON
    messiah-plus KCIA agent.

    Posted by Parae Dinthytui | May 6, 2007, 3:00 am

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