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Update: Cesar Armando Laurean Arrested in Mexico — Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach and Her Unborn Child Murdered: Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean Sought

Update April 11, 2008:  Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean has been apprehended in Mexico, thin and with a buck in his pocket.  He said he’d been hiding out, eating fruit he found and sleeping in fields.   His tattoos and the fact that he didn’t speak Spanish well raised suspicions among police.  He is to be extradited to the United States, which could take a while.

Update January 27, 2008:   Marine Cpl.  Cesar Armando Laurean has been indicted for first degree murder, robbery with a dangerous weapon and theft for forcing Maria Lauterbach to remove money from her bank account on the day she was killed.  Laurean was indicted in absentia by a grand jury in South Carolina.  U.S. authorities are working with Mexican authorities to find him and extradite him to the U.S. to stand trial.  A cousin reported having seen and spoken with Laurean at the cousin’s liquor store outside of Guadalajara.  The cousin said he didn’t know about the indictment and didn’t learn that Laurean was wanted by police until he later saw news reports on television.  He said he and family members, who didn’t know Laurean well and had seen him only a few times over the past 10 years, were shocked by the reports.

The baby Maria Lauterbach was carrying was a girl.  Tests are underway to determine whether Laurean was the baby’s father.

As usual, the reporting of this hideous murder has been unbelievably hateful.   I don’t fault Maria’s mother and stepmother for talking about Maria having lied in the past.  That is what they both told Marine investigators because apparently it was their experience with their daughter, and they couldn’t retract statements made about Maria long before she was murdered. 

It’s the way the media is reporting what the mother and stepmother said that is disgusting and despicable.  So what if Maria lied?  So what if her mother and stepmother reported that she lied?  So what if she lied every single day of her life? 

Is it somehow more important to discuss Maria Lauterback’s possible “lies” than it is to discuss Cesar Laurean having bludgeoned her with a crowbar, slit her throat, burned her body and buried her in his backyard?

Whatever lies she may have told whenever, they are irrelevant.

It is irrelevant whether, or that, she lied, and it is certainly irrelevant that she may have been “vulnerable,” as the Associated Press reported.  So what if she was?  Consider the first paragraph of the AP report of Lauterback’s “vulnerability”:

A slain Marine’s image as a woman who struggled with the truth made her vulnerable and may have triggered events that led to her violent death, her mother says.

In fact, her mom doesn’t say Lauterback’s vulnerability “triggered events” that led to her death.  She said her vulnerabilities made Lauterback the “perfect victim,” those vulnerabilities including her daughter’s beauty and “credibility problems.”

It’s sad that this is what her mother believes, and I would certainly disagree wholesale with what she said there, but she sure didn’t say her daughter’s vulnerabilities triggered the events which caused her death!

Why does it matter now, at this point, whether Laurean raped Maria Lauterbach or not?  Whether they had consensual sex or not?  Why is anybody even talking about this, or about whether or not Laurean “really” harassed Lauterbach on the Marine base where they both worked. 

Do people honestly believe a man who is capable of murdering a woman and her baby and burning them in his backyard is not also capable of raping her, relentlessly harassing her, and destroying her life?

Why is what Maria Lauterback may have done to Laurean or in her past or at any time any issue at all?  For anyone?  Anywhere? 

Nothing she ever did at any time in her life has anything at all to do with this atrocity that ended her life.

Cesar Armando Laurean confessed, in writing, to his wife that he had burned Maria’s body and her daughter’s body and buried them in his back yard.  He bought paint at Home Depot and painted over the blood that covered the walls and ceiling in his house.  Coroner’s reports show that Maria died from blunt trauma to the head, not from having had her throat slit.  Even if by some absurd and preposterous stretch of the imagination someone believed Laurean when he said Maria slit her own throat, that  isn’t what killed her.  Blunt trauma to the head killed her, and we know she didn’t inflict that trauma on herself. 

Below are a few very stark images which tell the real story.  They tell who the real liar was.  They evidence who in fact, has the credibility problems.  They give the lie to these claims that Maria was “friends” with this man, or on “good terms” with him, and especially, they make it clear she wasn’t lying with respect to him.  They also evidence a level of callousness, hatred and cruelty that is hard for me even to  imagine. 

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This is the fire pit Laurean built.  He wrote telling his wife that he burned Maria and her baby’s bodies and buried them here.

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 Video cameras captured Laurean entering a Home Depot store on two occasions and buying the paint which was used to cover blood stains (above) as well as the cinder blocks for the fire pit. 

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 This video camera shows Laurean using Maria Lauterback’s ATM card after her death.  The grand  jury also evidently had enough evidence to indict him on armed robbery for having forced Maria, at gunpoint, at some point to withdraw money from an ATM machine.

In view of the facts, the photos, the e-mails, does anybody agree we ought to focus on what Laurean is up to, not what Lauterback might have been up to before Laurean murdered her?

Letty, who has been posting updates to this thread in Spanish, has posted several recently.  I’m hoping someone can translate her comments because she has been providing information from news media in Mexico that is different from what is available to us here in the U.S.


Video tribute to Maria Lauterbach which I found at Bonnie’s place.

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Last November, Maria Lauterbach, 20, above, of Dayton Ohio, who had enlisted in the Marines  in June of 2006, became part of the combat logistics regiment based at Camp Lejeune, N.C.    She worked for Marine Cpl.  Cesar Armando Laurean, 21, who was her senior officer.

In April of last year, Lauterbach reported to her commanding officers that Laurean had raped her.  Officers issued a protective order and assigned Lauterbach and Laurean to work in different buildings.   The protective order was renewed twice, in April and September.  It was renewed again in January, but by then Maria was dead.

Lauterbach was pregnant as a result of the rape.  She would have felt the first flutters of life in her womb in July or August. By the time the protective order against Laurean was issued for the second time, the top of her uterus, the “fundus,” would have risen above her waist and her pregnancy would have begun to show.

During all of the months of the military investigation, Maria had to continue to work not far from her rapist who, she said, harassed her in an ongoing and intensifying way despite the protective order, the harassment reaching such unbearable levels by December that she felt forced to move off base and rent a room.  Investigators nevertheless say they didn’t consider Laurean a “threat” to Maria Lauterbach.  For some reason they thought Laurean and his rape victim were on “friendly terms.”  Of course, these were the same investigators who felt concerned about “inconsistencies” in Maria’s account of the rape, and who, according to papers filed in the case said Maria was facing a “possible discharge” from the Marines.  No reason for this “possible discharge” was given.  It was probably similar to the actual, not possible, discharge my niece was given after she was raped by two men while she was serving in the Navy in the Gulf Coast and just before she was to give birth.  The discharge would have stripped her of all of her military benefits.  Those were restored to her only after she sued and later settled with the Navy, and only after the two men who raped her were charged, found guilty and sentenced to time in the brig.   

During the investigation, someone, either Maria’s mom or her stepmom — news reports differ — said Maria was a “compulsive liar,” and had “bipolar disorder” and these allegations showed up in papers filed during the investigation.  They must have been a welcome relief to invesigators eager to believe what Laurean, her superior officer, who had raped her, was telling them — that it was all consensual, that Maria was a  liar, that she made the whole thing up, that she got herself pregnant and it wasn’t him, or if it was, she wanted it.  The reference to her bipolar disorder was an effort to discredit her in the way the mentally ill are often discredited, as though what they say about themselves and their lives should be suspect. If investigators included these facts and Maria ended up injured or dead, the military could point to some basis for not having protected her.  Her uncle said her family was just trying to give as much honest and comprehensive information as they could so as to cooperate with investigators, and that he wouldn’t say Maria was a compulsive liar, only that when she was stressed, she might stretch the truth.  Well, yeah.  When a woman knows her blood is in the water, for example,  and she’ll be punished for telling the truth, she may well “stretch” it in order to survive.  The same thing was said of my niece, that she was a “liar,” and some other things as the Navy refused and refused and refused to treat her fairly until they had no other choice but to do so.   But my niece sure didn’t lie about the baby she was carrying who is now six years old and being raised by her alone.  Neither did Maria Lauterbach lie about the baby she was carrying, whose body lay next to hers in that man’s fire pit night after cold December night until finally another woman — Maria’s rapist’s heartbroken wife –told police where to find them.

By the time the order came  down that the case be submitted to the military’s version of a grand jury in October, Maria’s pregnancy would have been obvious to everyone.    By the time she was interviewed by prosecutors about the rape in  early December, she was eight months pregnant.   When investigators contacted Laurean asking to meet with him, he disappeared.  He knew it was just a matter of time before the truth would out, the DNA tests would be ordered.   He had a wife back home and a small child, and his wife was going to have to be told.

Lauterbach’s mom, Mary Lauterbach of Dayton, Ohio, last spoke with Maria on December 14 and reported her missing on December 19.  Her cell phone was found near the gate to Camp LeJeune on December 20th, and a male attempted to use her ATM card on December 24.  On December 26 she missed a prenatal appointment.

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A search warrant for Maria was issued in early January, and a few days later, Cesar Armando Laurean sent a  letter to his wife in Florida saying he had buried Maria’s body in his yard.  He said he didn’t kill her, she had killed herself, by slitting her own throat.   Investigators say that wasn’t possible– there was voluminous blood everwhere in the house, spattered all over the walls, spattered on the ceiling.  After Laurean’s wife turned her husband’s letter over to police, they went to his home and found Maria’s body buried in the backyard.   The body of her unborn infant was found near hers.  They had been burned in a fire pit like so much trash.

Police are searching for Laurean’s black Dodge pickup with North Carolina plate TRR-1522.   He has been sited several states away, in Louisiana. 

The families grieve, and mourn, both Maria’s and Laurean’s.  This would be “just” another rape and murder of “just” another woman of the type that occurs every day in the U.S., except that it was yet another instance of a woman soldier raped by a soldier, in this case her superior, who then murdered her.  To serve in the U.S. military, for a woman, is a dangerous proposition, not only because of enemy troops and the dangers of war, but because of the chance she will be raped and possibly murdered by fellow troops.  How many women are, or have been, raped in the military and never tell?  How many women have been murdered by fellow troops and it was covered up, so that we will never know about it?

Let justice flow down like water, someday, somehow.

Thanks to Holly’s Fight for Justice for the heads up.

Link, Link, Link to news articles.

Denver Post article  about my niece and other women soldiers raped in the military, and Link, Link, Link to Women’s Space posts about rape in the U.S. military.

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96 thoughts on “Update: Cesar Armando Laurean Arrested in Mexico — Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach and Her Unborn Child Murdered: Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean Sought

  1. I have tears in my eyes and nothing of worth to say because my seething anger prevents coherent thought.

    Posted by Anji | January 13, 2008, 10:22 pm
  2. Lauterbach’s treament by her family is so infuriating. Calling her a congenital liar to the media? And according to her mother/stepmother, they had a huge fight because the relative wanted Lauterbach to put the child up for adoption. I’m sure some of that ‘grief’ is actually guilt, at least I HOPE SO.

    How desperate she must have been, a 20-year-old, with no support from the Marines, who are supposed to be family, or from her actual family.

    God, I could see her going to Laurean to get some kind of help. According to sources, she had a one-way bus ticket, but never used it.

    Posted by Miranda | January 13, 2008, 11:42 pm
  3. This is absolutely horrible. I hope he is caught and soon.
    I fear the only way to keep these women safe from men who would rape them is if all war stops altogether, but how is that going to happen?😦

    Posted by Chloe | January 14, 2008, 12:30 am
  4. As the wife of a retired Marine and the mother of a Marine, I am well aware of the sexual harassment women in the Armed Forces receive, especially such a “manly” corps as the Marines. The military is notorious for covering these things up rather than correcting attitudes by holding men responsible for their behaviors. I hold the Marine Corps as well as the perpetrator responsible for the death of this woman and child.

    Posted by Macs Grandy | January 14, 2008, 12:44 am
  5. Miranda, I don’t think the family told the media, I think they told investigators about the “compulsive liar”, “bipolar disorder” stuff. The uncles says they were just trying to cooperate and he didn’t think she was a compulsive liar. But the Navy is all about protecting its own sorry ass, not young enlisted women, so that kind of info was definitely included in reports investigators filed.

    According to reports I read, she bought a one way bus ticket on the 14th and then Laurean bought one on the 15th. I wonder if he bought it to make it look like he was out of the area, when in fact, he had already killed her.

    Posted by womensspace | January 14, 2008, 12:49 am
  6. Hi everyone,
    I hope he is found soon, I wanted to say thank you for the links to this story.
    The violence against women in the military is growing as you have mentioned in your links to other articles about with respect to sexual violence.
    Rest in peace Maria..many bloggers have you in our prayers.

    Posted by Holly Desimone | January 14, 2008, 1:09 am
  7. This is so sad and heartbreaking. I have been following this story and am disgusted. I want to cry and hit someone at the same time.

    Posted by RowdyKittens | January 14, 2008, 1:14 am
  8. I’ve been so enraged by the media that was as eager as the investigators to grasp on to the “bi-polar” & “compulsive liar” to make it seem as if the woman was lying and had just run away. Every little suggestion that she had just run away was picked up with glee that they might just be able to go with the crazy pregnant woman cries rape story.

    Now I am just sick in my heart for this woman who was treated so brutally because she dared to try to get justice for herself. She is one among millions.

    Posted by Astraea | January 14, 2008, 7:05 pm
  9. I spend 4 years in the Marines, and I can tell you, they cover up everything they can get away with – to avoid making the Marine Corps look bad.

    I don’t trust the information coming out from the Marine Base, just so many lies.

    Women, please don’t join the military, but go to college, and get a real career.

    Peace to Maria…..

    Posted by Raymond Wells | January 15, 2008, 2:30 am
  10. Every time I hear the sheriff talk, I cannot help but think how inept he is. I was watching Fox News yesterday where they were interviewing neighbors of Laurean. The neighbor says that his wife spotted Laurean on Friday morning at 6:30am, but the Marine’s wife claims he left at 4:00am. Something just doesn’t make sense.
    How can a wife not know that there is blood splattered in her own house? How can she not know that a body was burned in her own back yard? Why would she lie about the time her husband left? She also told neighbors that they were repainting the interior of the house including the garage. She isn’t a suspect because she is “very cooperative,” according to the police. I can’t help but feel she know a lot more than she is admitting to. And, no one has said whether Laurean has tried to contact her or if she has tried to contact him.
    Why was this sheriff so worried about Laurean’s “rights” and didn’t insist on bringing Laurean in just to talk?
    Didn’t Maria have rights too?

    Posted by t | January 15, 2008, 7:44 am
  11. This is my story: I served in the military sixteen years as an enlisted woman and was a rape victim, not once but twice. I was young and naive. The first incident a doctor took advantage of me. I pressed charges but nothing was done. The second incident was a “date rape”. On a third incident, I was also physically sexually harassed by a high ranking officer in plain view. No one dared to come forward to be a witness for fear of jeapordizing “their career”. It was’nt until seven years ago when honorably discharged, that I was able to seek help for PTSD. I have lived and still live with shame and continue to feel helpless in my night mares. It will be something that will never leave me.

    “Maria, I am sorry that you were’nt protected and your life ended this way. You were such a beautiful girl and your life was just beginning. God Bless You Maria and Your Baby, May You Both Rest In Peace.”

    Posted by LV2UALWAYS | January 15, 2008, 8:47 am
  12. LO QUE LE PASO A ESTA JOVEN FUE ALGO MUY INDIGNO NO SE COMO PUEDEN SOCAPAR ESTA CONDUCTA.
    PORQUE ESTO ES ENCUBRIMIENTO CLARO EL ERA UN SUPERIOR Y ELLA APENAS EMPEZABA.
    QUIZA POR ESO SE LLAMAN A ELLOS MISMOS DOGS ENTRE MARINOS,PORQUE QUIZA ES LO QUE SON ALGUNOS DE ELLOS Y LOS DEMAS SIMPLEMENTE CALLAN POR NO PERJUDICAR SUS FUTUROS.
    ESO DEMUESTRA QUE SOLO PIENSAN EN SI MISMOS.
    YO ME SIENTO MUY CONSTERNADA POR LA VIDA QUE LE TOCO VIVIR A ESTA POBRE MUCHACHA…CON UNOS PADRES ADOPTIVOS QUE SEGUN COMENTARIOS DE ELLA A SUS AMIGAS…JAMAS LA VIERON COMO UNA HIJA DE VERDAD.
    ELLA VENIA SUFRIENDO DESDE EL DIA QUE NACIO QUIZA…YO CREO QUE SI COMO DICE EL EN LA NOTA EL NO LA MATO…PERO BIEN QUE LE AYUDO A QUIEN LO HIZO,OCULTANDO EL CUERPO Y QUERIENDO BORRAR HUELLAS.
    UN DIA SE LE QUEMO A MI HERMANO UNAS GALLINITAS Y ESE OLOR ERA HORRIBLE SE IMPERNO EN TODA LA CASA Y TARDO MUCHO TIEMPO PARA QUE DESAPARECIERA.
    ME PREGUNTO YO DONDE LA QUEMO? QUE NADIE PUDO OLER NADA.
    SI HASTA LOS FRIJOLES CUANDO SE QUEMAN EN MI BARRIO SE HUELEN POR DOQUIER…
    QUIZA LA QUE LA MATO FUE LA ESPOSA DE CESAR Y ES LA UNICA FORMA QUE YO PIENSO QUE ALGUIEN PUDIERA HABER HECHO LO QUE HIZO PARA CUBRIR LAS APARIENCIAS Y SEGUIR FINGIENDO QUE NO PASO NADA.
    DESCONOSCO SI LA ESPOSA SEGUIA VIVIENDO CON EL DESPUES DE LO SUCEDIDO.
    PIENSO QUE CUALQUIERA EN SU LUGAR PIDE EL DIVORCIO DE INMEDIATO.
    PARA QUE VIVIR CON UN VIOLADOR.
    QUE DIOS RESIBA EN SU REYNO A MARIA Y SU BB,Y LE DE LO QUE NO ENCONTRO AQUI EN LA TIERRA.

    Posted by LETTY | January 15, 2008, 5:26 pm
  13. SE ME PASABA UN DATO QUE ME LLAMO MUCHO LA ATENCION Y ES QUE MARIA PUDO OBTAR POR EL ABORTO Y NO LO HIZO…ESO ME DICE QUE ERA UNA MUJER BUENA Y CON BELLOS SENTIMIENTOS…YA QUE PENSO EN SU BB ANTES QUE EN ELLA Y SU BRILLANTE CARRERA.
    SIN IMPORTARLE LA FORMA EN QUE LO CONCEBIO QUIZO TENERLOS Y SE CUIDABA HACIENDO SUS CHEQUEOS REGULARMENTE.
    UNA BUENA MADRE!

    Posted by LETTY | January 15, 2008, 5:32 pm
  14. Can someone translate?

    t, my understanding was that the wife didn’t live with Laurean, she lived in Florida. I don’t know where I read that but will take a look– I didn’t think they were living together, which would explain why she didn’t know anything about what was going on.

    Lv2ualways, I’m so sorry about what happened to you! You are so not alone– it has happened to so many women. As Raymond Wells says, the Marines covers things up. I think all of the branches of the military do, look at Tailgate that went on for decades and decades and somehow nobody blew the whistle and nobody’s heads rolled.

    Astraea, so true about the media and the way things were presented, as though she was a liar, in hiding, anything but to believe her. Of course, after women are killed, THEN people realize they were telling the truth. 😦

    Posted by womensspace | January 15, 2008, 5:55 pm
  15. I read somewhere that the wife was in Florida too. Perhaps the wife and husband was on the outs because of the rape allegation, or because he is just an all around asshole. I must note that I take issue with the comment asking about the wife. Let’s say the wife did live with Laurean does know more than what she is saying. Now what? Should our attentions be to grab up our torches and pitchforks and go after her, you know, while Laurean is the actual murderer, the actual rapist, the actual instigator of all of this? If the wife was there, who’s to say she did not fear for her life? If he raped and murdered one woman what would prevent him from doing it to another one. Marriage has never stopped murder or rape. It is amazing how the tone always makes another woman at fault. “Why didn’t SHE stop that monster.”

    And here is more women-blaming.

    Women, please don’t join the military, but go to college, and get a real career.

    “Yeah, you women, it is your fault if you are raped and murder because you went to the military instead of going to college, I mean, college is so easy to go to, don’t you know.” How about men, MEN, stop raping and murdering women. Why should women lose opportunties because men are murderers and rapists?

    Posted by ekittyglendower | January 15, 2008, 6:20 pm
  16. We are stationed and live in Jacksonville, NC. My husband is a Marine. This is all very sad and heartbreaking. And to be this close to it makes it even worse. But what most don’t understand is that there are steps in military law as well as civilian law that have to be taken. Military law is completely different and unless you are familiar can be very confusing.
    By the time she was reported missing on Dec. 19 she was already dead. (Dec. 14) So what could anyone have done? For her own step mother to bad mouth her on national television, knowing at the time, she was missing. Who does that? I’m not really sure why this has turned into a “Marine Corps” issue. Because they were both Marines? This happens more times than not in the civilian world. They only thing you can point the finger at the MC for is them not taking it more serioulsy. They have no control on what happens once you drive out those front gates. I hate to be the one to say this but there have been lots of women who have “cried wolf” over rape that it’s not taken as serioulsy as it should be. It was just an allegation and he had not been proven guilty on that charge. I hope he burns in hell for what he did do to her and her child. He’s sick, morbid and one day he will face his ultimate judgement. Rest in peace Maria…

    Posted by Marine wife | January 15, 2008, 6:54 pm
  17. Marine wife, until you are a Marine, a military service member then all you know about being in the military is what your husband tells you. I served in the military for eleven years. There are few cases of crying wolf. There are unsubstantiated cases, but, that does not translate into crying wolf, that translates into the military protecting men. Incidentally, over half of all cases are unsubstantiated, imagine that. The major point here is, she reported a rape, the Marines allowed him to stay in close proximity of her, that is threatening and that is hostile, a hostile work environment which is against morale and against policy. Hostile work environments according to policy are illegal. However, her aggressors will not consider what a victim considers hostile hostile. Listen to your husband and his friends and their apologist wives if you want to, but that is not a woman in the military’s reality. I was on a 7-month deployment when a man bought a prostitute and then kept her in his room and when he was discovered and was put on restriction he told his wife it was because he overslept (and she believed him). When another woman in the military accused him of sexually harassing her, they put him on restriction again, wife believed. It was not until she wrote a letter to her Congressman crying about how mean the military was to her poor innocent husband that she found out that he had been a misogynistic little asshole. These men are all in the military. And when one of them get pissed off because a woman in the military refuses to be either his whore or his bitch they close ranks and attack, emotionally, physically, mentally, by policy, by rank, the whole nine yards.

    Posted by ekittyglendower | January 15, 2008, 7:24 pm
  18. Hi, Marine wife.

    What the Marines could have done is take it very seriously that she was being continually harassed by this guy, first of all. She was so harassed in an ongoing way that she had to finally move off base to a rented room, yet the military claims the two were on “friendly terms.” What the Marines could have done is not be so eager to include in their paperwork that she was “bipolar” or a “compulsive liar,” or that there were “inconsistencies” in her “story.” The parents didn’t go to the press with statements that she was a liar or bipolar. These statements were found in documents which Marines investigators filed in the case.

    It took them all the way from April when she reported the rape until October for the Marines to decide her situation warranted the military equivalent of a grand jury investigation. Prosecutors didn’t interview her until December. The Marines knew she had reported being raped as of April, yet it is months and months and months and she is having to work alongside this guy and they are calling her a liar in their paperwork.

    Not only that, they were considering giving her an “early discharge,” just like they did with my niece, something they do with these troublemaking raped women. My niece served four years in the Navy STRICTLY for the benefits. She’d gone through really hard times as a teenager, went through drug rehab and wanted to get her life together and go to school. So she gets raped, she reports it, and she is given a Tylenol! She is traumatized because she has to work on the ship on the Gulf Coast and see these guys every day, and so she has trouble getting herself to work, not to mention, she was pregnant. So the Navy discharges her within a couple of months of when she was scheduled, demotes her, and she ends up with NO BENEFITS. ALL BECAUSE she was raped. The ONLY way my niece’s benefits, etc., were restored was, she SUED THE NAVY.

    I can only wonder how many hundreds or thousands of women just get booted out because they were raped and told about it, lose their benefits, don’t even get an honorable discharge, and all because they were raped? Not everybody can gather themselves together, or knows how to, bring a lawsuit against the military. Not everyone can find an attorney to help. Definitely most enlisted women do not have any money!

    The press learned what it learned about Maria Lauterbach by reading the pleadings and legal documents filed in her case, so all of that crap they found is what military “investigators” included in there to cover the Marines’ sorry asses. I am very sure they HOPED against hope that this guy did not rape her and that she WAS a liar but if not, they would make a good case that they believed she was and that’s why they did nothing day after day as she has to work alongside this chump.

    I think the number of false rape reports made anywhere anytime is RARE. I am sure it happens VERY occasionally. What I know is the number of UNREPORTED rapes is GIGANTIC, and this case is Exhibit A of why. You report the goddamn rape, now you are “investigated,” your privacy violated, all your relatives contacted to find out all about your background and personal life, you have to work next to your rapist until the military SLOOOOOWWWWLY does whatever it does, you take the risk of an early discharge, and in the end, you might end UP discharged and with nothing except your memories of being raped and if you’re like Lauterbach, a baby to show for it!

    So of COURSE women do NOT report rape. Let us not defend the Marines, they screwed up badly and they screw up badly all the time when it comes to their women troops.

    I know this is your first post here, Marine wife, and I appreciate your kind words towards Maria, but I have witnessed firsthand what happens to raped women and girls in the military. I sat through my niece’s testimony before the Navy court when she had to answer all of these intrusive, invasive questions, she had to face the men who horrifically gang raped her in court. And now she is raising a beautiful little girl who looks just like one of her rapists.

    I saw how the Navy dodged, dodged, kicked her out, wouldn’t give her benefits, wouldn’t help her, wouldn’t do a DAMN thing until they got served with papers. Having read a lot about these matters, I have no reason to believe the Marines are any better.

    Posted by womensspace | January 15, 2008, 7:24 pm
  19. I, too, heard that Larean’s wife lived in FL.

    I’m wondering why no neighbors reported the smell of a human being being burned because surely, that is not a common or pleasant smell.

    Posted by Jazz | January 15, 2008, 7:59 pm
  20. here’s my interpretation of letty’s comments, #13 and #14:

    What happened to this young woman is despicable. I don’t know how they could hide such conduct. This was clearly a cover up: he was her superior and she was just starting out. Maybe that’s why some Marines call themselves “dogs:” because that is what some of them are, and the rest just keep quiet because they don’t want to jeopardize their futures. It shows that they’re only thinking about themselves.

    I feel very dismayed at the life this poor girl lived . . . with adoptive parents who, as she told her friends, never saw her as a true daughter. It seems she suffered since the day she was born.

    I believe that, as he said in his note, he did not kill her; but he certainly helped whoever did it hide the body and cover their tracks. One day my brother burned a few chickens, and the smell was horrible—it permeated the entire house and took a long time to disappear. I wonder, where did he burn her that nobody smelled anything? In my neighborhood, even burning beans can be smelled everywhere.

    Maybe Cesar’s wife was the one who killed her? It’s the only way I can think of that someone could have done what the killer did to try to cover the evidence and continue pretending that nothing happened. I don’t know if Cesar’s wife kept living with him after what happened, but I think anyone in her place would immediately ask for a divorce. Why live with a rapist?

    May God welcome Maria and her baby into his kingdom, and give them what they could not find on earth.

    ***

    I forgot one fact that drew my attention: Maria could have opted for an abortion, but she didn’t. This indicates to me that she was a good woman with a beautiful nature, because she put the baby first, before herself and her career. Regardless of how the child was conceived, she wanted to have it, and she took care of herself and had regular prenatal care.

    She was a good mother.

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 15, 2008, 8:11 pm
  21. ANTES QUE NADA QUIERO PEDIR DISCULPAS POR ESCRIBIR EN ESPAN~OL EN UN FORO DONDE DOMINA EL INGLES…PERO LO HAGO CON EL FIN DE DECIRLES QUE NO IMPORTAR DE DONDE VENGAMOS SOMOS MUJERE Y UNIDAS EN MOMENTOS TAN DIFICILES COMO ESTE.
    CREO QUE MUCHAS PERSONAS DE MI EDAD SIENTEN A ESTA MUCHACHA COMO UNA HIJA A LA CUAL QUEREMOS Y PROTEJEMOS POR SOBRETODAS LAS COSAS.
    YA QUE NO TUVO EN VIDA QUIEN VIERA POR ELLA, QUIZA DESDE DONDE ESTE PUEDA VER LO QUE ALGUIEN ESTA HACIENDO AHORA.
    GRACIAS POR LA INFORMACION QUE HAN PUESTO SOBRE LA ESPOSA.
    LEYENDO MAS DEL CASO ME ENTERE QUE LA ACUSACION DE VIOLACION ESTAN INVOLUCRADOS DOS HOMBRES.
    PORQUE NO HAN DADO A CONOCER EL NOMBRE DEL SEGUNDO SOSPECHOSO…ACASO ESTAN ESPERANDO QUE DESAPARESCA TAMBIEN?
    PIENSO QUE A LAS AUTORIDADES MILITARES NO LES COMBIENE QUE HABLEN PORQUE SE DESCUBRIRIA EL ENCUBRIMIENTO.
    Y SERIAN MAS LOS CULPABLES…YO EN LO PERSONAL PIENSO QUE A ELLA LA SECUESTRADA YA SEA ENTRENDO A SU BASE O SALIENDO DE ELLA QUIZA IBA HABLANDO CON LA MADRE,PUES SEGUN DIJERON LAS AUTORIDADES FUE LA ULTIMA LLAMADA REGISTRADA EN SU TELEFONO.
    SUPUNGO QUE SALIA DE LA BASE Y CUANDO LA DETUVIERON LE TIRARON EL TELEFONO Y SE LA LLEVARON.
    SOLO QUE LA MADRASTRA POR ESO ESTABA PREOCUPADA PORQUE ELLA ESCUCHO ALGO RARO EN LA ULTIMA CONVERSACION CON ELLA.
    ELLA SE VEIA MUY OJEROSA Y DEMACRADA DE LA CARA COMO UNA MADRE QUE A PERDIDO UN HIJO.
    PORQUE SI COMO DICEN ELLA NO FUE BIENA CON ELLA EN VIDA LA CONCIENCIA SE LA VA A COMER EN VIDA.
    Y SEGURO QUE NO TENDRA PAZ HASTA QUE NO CONFIESE LA VERDAD.
    A ELLA LE CONVIENE DECIR QUE ELLA ERA MENTIROSA PORQUE QUIZA ASI SE TRATA DE PROTEJER A SI MISMA DE LO QUE LA HIJA DECIA DE ELLA.
    PORQUE ESTOY SEGURA QUE ELLA TENIA UNA AMIGA CONFIDENTE.
    Y TARDE O TEMPRANO TODO SALDRA A LA LUZ.

    ACABAN DE ENCONTRAR LA CAMIONETA DEL SOSPECHOSO…VOY A CREER QUE CON TANTA INFORMACION Y NOTICIAS FOTOS QUE ESTAN SALIENDO NADIE LA REPORTO ANTES.

    LES SEGUIRE LEYENDO Y PARA LOS QUE NO LEEN ESPAN~OL PUES NO SE PIERDEN DE MUCHO,SON SOL OCURRENCIAS MIAS LAS QUE ESCRIBO,TRATANDO DE SACAR UN POCO EL CORAJE QUE ME DA ESTA SITUACION,QUE LE PASO A ESTA JOVEN.

    Posted by LETTY | January 15, 2008, 8:18 pm
  22. LA DOCTORITA!
    ME HAS HECHO LLORAR Y TE FELICITO POR TU TRADUCCION ES TODO LO QUE QUERIA QUE SUPIERAN…MUCHAS GRACIAS

    PROMETO ESCRIBIR MENSAJES MAS CORTOS PARA QUE EN CASO TE PIDAN TRADUCCION NO TRABAJES TANTO,UN ABRAZO Y DIOS TE VENDIGA.

    Posted by LETTY | January 15, 2008, 8:46 pm
  23. hola letty,

    no se preocupa por el hecho de escribir en espanol aqui, hay muchas que saben leer el espanol y que pueden hacer el papel de interprete.

    yo ya he traducido sus primeros comentarios a ingles para las que no saben leer espanol, y voy a traducir lo mas reciente ahora.

    muchas gracias por compartir sus pensamientos aqui. no dude en escribir mas en este foro (en qualquier idioma!).

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 15, 2008, 8:56 pm
  24. i’m from that area born and raised married a marine and moved a couple of years ago… i know the kind of things they so and get away with… and for the comment about when you leave base they can’t do anything to you, yes you sign a contract they then own you for the remainder of it… it’s they don’t choose to… i had my life threated by an ex that was a marine i went to his co several times nothing happened until i got a restraining order out in town… it’s the government they don’t want us to think badly… hopefully they find him and the jacksonville police handle it and not the military, which didn’t have time to take care of it 9 mths ago… as my husband says they all cover their own ass and as much as we would love to see the higher ranks that this was reported to get in trouble it’s not going to happen… god bless maria and her unborn child, their in a much better place

    Posted by lwitherup | January 15, 2008, 9:33 pm
  25. NO IMPORTAR DE DONDE VENGAMOS SOMOS MUJERE Y UNIDAS EN MOMENTOS TAN DIFICILES COMO ESTE.

    (It doesn’t matter where we come from, we’re women and united in difficult moments like this)

    !SI!

    (Lo siento – no hablo mucho espan~ol.) Muchas gracias por sus palabras. Tengo gusto especialmente de esta frase que copie’. Me recuerda el lema político (de Marcos si recuerdo) penso’ siempre era buena para las mujeres:

    “Todos somos indios del mundo” … Si, es verdad, pero MUJERES somos indios del mundo … y podemos unir.

    Posted by funnie | January 15, 2008, 9:34 pm
  26. her’s my interpretation of letty’s last comment, and my response to her:

    First of all, I want to apologize for writing in Spanish in a forum where English is dominant . . . but I do it with the goal of telling you that it doesn’t matter where we come from, we are women and we are united in difficult moments like this.

    I believe many people of my age think of this girl like a daughter who we love and protect against all things. Since she didn’t have anyone took look out for her in life, maybe from where she is now she can see what we are doing for her.

    Thank you for the information that was posted about the wife. Reading more about this case, it seems that two men were indicated in the rape accusation. Why has the name of the second suspect not been made known? Maybe they’re waiting for him to disappear too?

    I think it’s inconvenient for the military authorities to discuss this case, because they don’t want to reveal their cover-up and their own culpability.

    I, personally, think that the victim was kidnapped when entering or leaving the base, maybe while talking to her mother on the phone (since, according to the authorities, that was the last call registered in her cell phone). I suppose she could have been leaving the base when they stopped her, took her phone, and took her away.

    Her stepmother was worried because she heard something strange during her last phone conversation with Maria. Now, her face looks drawn, with dark circles under the eyes—like a mother who’s lost a child. Because, as Maria said, her stepmother wasn’t good to Maria when she was alive, the woman’s conscience will surely consume her, and she won’t be at peace until she has confessed the truth. Maybe it was convenient for the stepmother to say that Maria was a liar, because she was trying to protect herself from the negative things Maria said about her. But I’m sure that Maria had a friend she confided in, and sooner or later everything will come to light.

    They just found the suspect’s truck. I can’t believe that with all the information and photos that have been released, nobody reported this earlier.

    I will keep reading here and for those who don’t read Spanish, you’re not missing much. These are just thoughts that occur to me, and I write them down in an attempt to let out a little of the anger that this situation, what happened to this young woman, makes me feel.

    ***

    hi letty, don’t worry about writing in spanish here, many of us know how to read spanish and can act as interpreters. i’ve translated your first comments into english for those who don’t know how to read spanish, and i will translate the most recent one now.

    thank you so much for sharing your thoughts here. don’t hesitate to write more here, in any language!

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 15, 2008, 9:36 pm
  27. I love it when women write here in foreign languages! It has happened a number of times and this is not the first time ladoctorita has translated, thank you SO MUCH, my friend. 🙂 Once a woman commented with a long comment in Arabic and someone translated that as well.

    And go funnie! 🙂

    I think it’s great. It’s so true, these incidents unite us all as women. Sadly. 😦

    Posted by womensspace | January 15, 2008, 9:50 pm
  28. Letty: Maybe it was convenient for the stepmother to say that Maria was a liar, because she was trying to protect herself from the negative things Maria said about her.

    Yeah. This happens a lot. 😦

    I think, too, that one reason this is so horrible to so many people is, we have an expectation (unwarranted!) that our daughters and young women will be protected in the military! We know they won’t be, but underneath, we expect that they will be because they *should* be. I mean, these are our troops and they are supposed to be serving in the military in order to protect their fellow citizens!

    So when something like this happens, although you know it does happen, you just recoil. It is a reminder that there is no place of safety, anywhere, for women. Something we know, but try to forget. 😦

    Posted by womensspace | January 15, 2008, 9:56 pm
  29. El infante de Marina César Armando Laurean Ramírez, quien consiguió la ciudadanía estadunidense en 2003, está acusado de asesinar el pasado 12 de enero a su colega, María Lauterbach, de 20 años, quien tenía ocho meses de embarazo.

    Laurean Ramírez, de 21 años, también identificado como “César Gudino” y “César Sánchez”, mide 1.74 metros de estatura, pesa 72 kilogramos, tiene ojos color marrón, pelo negro y es hispano, según un comunicado de la FBI.

    ENCONTRE ESTA INFORMACION EN NOTIMEX,PORQUE AQUI EN LOS EEUU NO LO HAN MENCIONADO.

    Posted by LETTY | January 15, 2008, 11:24 pm
  30. Marks: Laurean has a tattoo of a skull on one of his upper arms, and a tattoo of a black widow spider, including an hourglass on the spider’s abdomen, on the other upper arm.
    Remarks: Laurean is a United States citizen. He is also a United States Marine Corps Corporal currently assigned to Camp Lejeune, North Carolina.

    ME LLAMO LA ATENCION SU TATTOO DE LA SPIDER…LA VIUDA NEGRA ES LA ARAN~A QUE MATA A SU PAREJA…DESPUES DE APAREARLA.

    Y LA OTRA PARTE ES PORQUE NO LE PUSIERON QUE ES UN CIUDADANO NATURALIZADO AMERICANO.

    Posted by LETTY | January 15, 2008, 11:40 pm
  31. letty’s last comment said:

    I found this information on Notimex (fyi: “noticias” [news] + “mexico” [Mexico] = “Notimex”) It hasn’t been mentioned here in the United States.

    “Marine infantryman César Armando Laurean Ramírez, who obtained United States citizenship in 2003, is accused of killing on January 12th his colleague, 20-year-old Maria Lauterbach, who was eight months pregnant.

    According to the FBI, Laurean Ramírez, 21 years old, is also identified as “César Gudino” and “César Sánchez.” He is 1.74 meters (5 ft. 8.5 in.) tall and weighs 72 kilograms (159 lb.). He has brown eyes and black hair, and is of Hispanic descent.”

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 16, 2008, 12:25 am
  32. El infante de Marina César Armando Laurean Ramírez, quien consiguió la ciudadanía estadunidense en 2003, está acusado de asesinar el pasado 12 de enero a su colega, María Lauterbach, de 20 años, quien tenía ocho meses de embarazo.

    Laurean Ramírez, de 21 años, también identificado como “César Gudino” y “César Sánchez”, mide 1.74 metros de estatura, pesa 72 kilogramos, tiene ojos color marrón, pelo negro y es hispano, según un comunicado de la FBI.

    ENCONTRE ESTA INFORMACION EN NOTIMEX,PORQUE AQUI EN LOS EEUU NO LO HAN MENCIONADO.

    Well, my Spanish is a bit rusty but roughly translated, how I read it is:

    The infant (we’ll go with son) of Marina César Armando Laurean Ramírez, who obtained American citizenship in 2003, is accused of the Jan 12th murder of his former colleague, María Lauterbach, 20 years old, 8 months pregnant.

    Laurean Ramírez, 21 years old, also identified as César Gudino” and “César Sánchez”, is 5 ft 7 inches tall, 158 lbs, has brown eyes, black hair, and is hispanic according to communications with the FBI.

    You can find this information in Mexico’s newspapers because here, in the US, it’s not mentioned.

    Posted by Luckynkl | January 16, 2008, 12:39 am
  33. What a sick world we live in ! (GOD BLESS YOU MARIA)

    Posted by George Sibley | January 16, 2008, 2:39 am
  34. A really sad incident.

    I sympathize with all the women who have been subject to such a heartless and cruel treatment by my gender.

    I hope that sick person gets what he deserves, a bullet in the head, with letters inscribed
    “RESPECT WOMAN”.

    I am sorry but thats how felt when I read this article.

    Posted by Ali Ahmed | January 16, 2008, 11:51 am
  35. Hello! and Good morning..I heard in the news this morning that Larean’s wife is a Marine too and continue to work…that’s true?

    Sorry for my written but a try to practice

    Posted by LETTY | January 16, 2008, 3:36 pm
  36. My heart goes out to Lance Cpl. Lauterbach. I can not even imagine the pain or heartache of this young lady. My heart and prayers go out to her family. It is going to be a hard and troubled road ahead for all involved. Anyone so sick to have to have done this is guilty of the worst and anyone whom questioned it all these months is just as guilty. I did not know her but, What a beautiful person, and to have to endured what she has is any woman and mothers nightmare. As a former Marine- I understand the hardships of being on Active Duty and having two children. I was stationed on Camp Geiger My entire 4 years. This is outside of Camp Lejeune. Jacksonville is by far a sticky situation. I say this because of personal experience- living on base and off base. I had an abusive Husband and when you both are in, the Marine Corps will do just about anything to prevent a black eye- it ANGERS me. I was very lucky to leave my Ex Husband. and that my children are safe with me now. It begins a paper shuffle- too many gaps here- the truth will come. It will. Women have rights and choices but it is what puts them under the wire to be picked apart that makes everyone whom does not know wonder how this could happen. I know in my heart, it will surface and it will be sadly another reminder that this does happen and that it happens here, in our country. It happens all around the world. Makes you wonder what rights we really have. I by no means am blaming the Corps- I loved being a Marine. but, I have had Marines in my charge that have been raped and pregnant and seen what they went through, they carried a mark on their back. I am sorry and wish for this to come to rest. So this young lady can rest with her child.My friends, we have lost a Comrad, a Sister a lady and a mother a daughter and a Marine. God Bless,Semper Fi.

    Posted by Nicole | January 17, 2008, 12:24 am
  37. I have not read the stories about Maria’s stepmother – can someone direct me so I can? IMO, from what I read here, Maria’s family situation was the factor that first put her at risk. (We are not going to say, are we, that b/c her stepmother is a woman, she has no responsibility in putting a daughter at risk? When a woman protects a husband who is engaging in incest, do we hold her blameless? Even though Hedda Nussbaum was abused by the man who killed her daughter, Hedda was complicit, broke the law and correctly, was punished.)

    Posted by ellen | January 17, 2008, 4:48 pm
  38. Hi, ellen. One problem with what has been reported so far is, there have been conflicting reports about who said what and whether it was the mother or the stepmother who reported that Maria was a “compulsive liar” and bipolar, etc. Maybe someone has some good links and can post them.

    I definitely believe women can be complicit in male abuse/putting daughters at risk. I believe, though, that complicity is of a different order than the actual abusive behavior, and that we always have to factor in the myriads of coercions and abuses the complicit also experience. Hedda Nusbaum was complicit and broke the law; she was also hideously abused by her husband. This abuse doesn’t only affect the bodies of women, it affects their minds, hearts, souls, wills. They come to believe their situation is hopeless and they cannot change it, because they are effectively tortured into believing that is true.

    Every situation is different, of course. But another thing that has to be factored in is the extreme interest the entire populace of the U.S., especially, has in blaming mothers/stepmothers for pretty much everything they can be possibly blamed for– all of their children’s problems, difficulties, acting out, criminal behavior, the choices their kids make, etc. While, of course, at the same time making it very difficult for mothers to actually protect their children, nurture them, and shield them from misogyny and hatred of all kinds. Rarely are fathers blamed for their children’s problems in this way– even when they have incested/molested/horribly abused their children.

    So, yes, women can be complicit, mothers and stepmothers can be complicit. But that is always going to be a very complicated discussion, I think.

    Posted by womensspace | January 17, 2008, 5:15 pm
  39. We are not going to say, are we, that b/c her stepmother is a woman, she has no responsibility in putting a daughter at risk? When a woman protects a husband who is engaging in incest, do we hold her blameless? Even though Hedda Nussbaum was abused by the man who killed her daughter, Hedda was complicit, broke the law and correctly, was punished.)

    In tune with this line of thinking, pows are complicit with the torture of other pows and should be held responsible and punished. Right?

    Funny how we don’t see things this way, huh? What’s the difference between the two? Nothing. Not a damn thing. Other than one tends to have a penis in one case and one doesn’t in the other.

    Spare me the woman blaming and hating, as well as the blame-the-victim mentality. I sure as hell don’t see fathers being held accountable, much less punished, when children are abused by their mothers.

    Abusers are to blame for abuse. No one else. Period. NY State is the first state (and only state as far as I know) to view it this way. Prior to this law being passed, when a mother tried to report an abusive father, the child was taken out of the home and both the child and the mother were punished rather than the abusive father. The mother is also often accused of lying and trying to estrange the father from his children and then custody is often granted to the abusive father, putting the child in even greater danger. On top of that, mothers are often then restricted from seeing their children. This is a big reason why many women don’t report abuse. When coupled with the fact that the mother, herself, may be in grave danger from the abuser, or the abuser threatens to harm the child even more if she tells, I’d say this serves as a very big deterrent from mothers reporting abuse.

    NY State is the first state to recognize the dynamics involved in households with abusive fathers. So in NY, daddy is removed, not the child, and daddy is held responsible for the crime and punished, not everyone else.

    Unfortunately, NY State is the only state that I know of that passed such laws. But laws are only as good as they’re enforced, and I don’t know how well NY enforces these laws. I do know tho that old ways tend to die hard.

    Posted by Luckynkl | January 17, 2008, 7:16 pm
  40. KILLER POSSIBLY FLEEING TO MEXICO
    ThinkTanked Exclusive

    Perhaps the reason why the military is being so quiet about the murder suspect of the pregnant Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach who was killed by Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean is because he is an immigrant from Mexico serving in the United States Marine Corps under a immigration Visa. His parents Salvador Sanchez-Laurean and Elvira Ramirez de Laurean are both Mexican immigrants as well who purchased a home in Las Vegas in 2002 and then sold the home in 2006.

    In 2006 Cesar and his wife from Ohio Christina Smith-Laurean, whom he married in 2005 in North Carolina, purchased their home at 103 Meadow Trail in Jacksonville, North Carolina and gave birth to their daughter in that same year. The whereabouts of Cesar’s parents have not been disclosed to the public.

    Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean was last sighted boarding a Grey Hound Bus in Louisiana which was bound for Texas. Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean may be fleeing to Mexico to avoid prosecution in the United States.

    In what state of Mexico he born?

    Posted by LETTY | January 17, 2008, 8:08 pm
  41. Links:

    This talks about Lauterbach’s mother arriving from Ohio:

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2279410/

    This talks about the fight with the STEPmother, Mary Lauterhback:

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2282672/

    Interestingly, earlier mentions of Lauterbach’s mother/stepmother (this still isn’t clear) calling her a compulsive liar are no longer on the wral site, although I’m sure I read them there.

    The statement is on CNN

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/10/missing.marine/

    Laurean’s wife says that he told her Lauterbach came wanting money so that she could leave. I can actually believe that scenario (although I think he killed her) because between her family and the Marines, where could she go?

    Posted by Miranda | January 17, 2008, 9:12 pm
  42. CADA DIA QUE PASA SE DESCUBREN MAS COSAS QUE SOLO PORQUE LAS VEMOS LAS CREEMOS…AHORA HASTA LA ROBO DESPUES DE MATARLA Y LA ESPOSA SE CONVIRTIO EN SU COMPLICE CONCIENTE O INCONCIENTEMENTE…YO AMO A MI ESPOSO MUCHO…PERO ALGO ASI VA CONTRA MIS PRINCIPIOS…LO PRIMERO QUE HUBIERA HECHO ES IR A LAS AUTORIDADES Y DECIRLES TODO LO QUE SABIA O LO QUE EMPESE A SOSPECHAR DE EL Y ME RETIRARIA LO MAS QUE PUDIERA DE EL.
    PARA PROTECCION DE MI HIJA Y PROPIO Y ESTOY SEGURA QUE NO ESTUVIERA PASANDO POR NADA DE ESTO.
    ESO ES COOPERAR CON LAS AUTORIDADES…NO QUE HASTA QUE LA CUESTIONARON Y DIO TIEMPO PARA QUE EL HULLERA.
    SOLO QUE LA VIOLO,LOS MATO Y LA ROBO…DICEN QUE SI LO ENCUENTRAN EN MEXICO Y LO EXTRADICTA,NO LE PUEDEN DAR LA PENA DE MUERTE…PUES PIENSO YO QUE EL LA VA A DESEAR QUE LO MATEN…SI ES QUE NO YA SE LA QUITO EL MISMO.

    AYER VI UNAS FOTOS QUE ESTAN EN CAMP LEJEUNE DONDE HACEN UNA FOGATA EN UNA CUBETA DE CONCRETO Y AFUERA TIENE UNA CRUZ Y DICE ASHES…NO SE LO QUE QUIERA DECIR…PERO SE VE QUE SE DIVIERTEN UN MONTON HECHANDOLE PETROLEO AL FUEGO…ME IMAGINE QUE ASI QUEMARON A ESA MUJER Y SU BEBE.

    SALUDOS SU AMIGA LETTY

    Posted by LETTY | January 19, 2008, 9:34 pm
  43. Here is what Maria Lauterbach’s mother said to her when Maria told her about the rape:

    “”You realize you’ve lost all your evidence now?” she recalled telling her daughter. “Maria, you have to know you cannot make any false statements because that is one of the worst things you could possibly do. You could ruin somebody’s career, and you won’t be doing yourself any favors either.”

    link

    Now, I don’t know about this other story:

    “The newspaper said a Marine report shows that Maria Lauterbach told fellow Marines in 2006 that her father had accidentally killed her 6-year-old brother by throwing a lamp at him, and she was put in counseling after her mother assured authorities that the brother was alive.”

    In 2006, she would have been 18 or 19. I don’t know if her father actually threw the lamp, or what. Maybe she was trying to seem important, maybe she was trying to tell about something else…something her father did to her?

    Laurean claimed that no sex was had between them at all. If that was true, if the whole thing was made completely up, he should have had nothing to fear from the child being born. The DNA would have exonerated him.

    Posted by Miranda | January 20, 2008, 8:37 pm
  44. Before I write anything let me say this, I know this may and probably does happen in middle class families, —however.

    This whole mess with her family sounds like class dynamics. It reads like the lower classes in a Dickens novel, or even Elizabeth Gaskell. Forget a novel, if you have ever seen a Dickens movie it is clear how the poor treat their own members when they “look” like they are “moving up,”, i.e. get a new coat, found half a crown, etc. They become vicious and nasty. They badmouth each other. Actually, I can go back further and think of Henry Fielding’s Tom Jones. When the village “tramp” told Tom she was pregnant with his baby he gave her money. She bought a new fancy dress and held her head up high on the way to church, when a group of women in her class attacked her. Okay, I’m mixing a lot of dynamics, I guess some could argue that she was flaunting that she was sexing the squire’s ward (nephew), nevertheless, they did not attack her until she “looked” like she had something. Middle class people seem to learn to keep most of their dirt behind closed doors, not just the truly sinister type dirt, (molestation, abuse, etc, that seems to be kept secret among he lower classes too) but most dirt that may look like they are not united.

    What does this have to do with the topic at hand? I. Don’t. Know. I am trying to examine class as much as I look at race and sex.

    The way Maria’s mother/stepmother badmouthed her, is exactly the way I can imagine my people would have badmouthed me if I were in her situation. It is as if anyone, anyone leaves, even if that leaving entails going into the Marines, they have to tear them down, stomp on them. Perhaps how of angry and frustration that they have not or are not making a life for themselves and project that misery on their subject. I don’t know. But I hate them for badmouthing her. Obviously, Maria’s road has not been paved with gold. And I can believe her asking her rapist for money to leave. I can also believe him encouraging her to. In our twisted society and how they were all ganging up on her, she could have easily starting doubting that she was actually raped and was instead at fault some how, and start believing they could come together and play house, he be the father and she be the mother and they live happily ever after. I mean good gawd, Luke raped Laura, RAPED Laura, and they got together, were married and lived happily ever after. I watched that show with my mother and she never said a word about how it was all so wrong. And when there are shows that show a man and a woman arguing, becoming heated, and then they embrace in a hot passionate kiss because that was what they were really leading up to, not that there was an actual disagreement to discuss, what is the message. I just saw it happen on The Suite Life of Zack and Cody.

    Posted by ekittyglendower | January 20, 2008, 10:57 pm
  45. Really insightful, Kitty (as always).

    SO interesting, your observation that in poor families, the crabs-in-the-bucket phenomenon is often real and apparent and witnessable!

    You’re exactly right in what you say about middle class families. There, it is the opposite. When family members move up, they are applauded, encouraged, and especially *** especially *** bragged about to others. The news is circulated broadly that this person made the honor society at school, that one just got a great new job, the other one is marrying somebody who is [insert marker of status here], this one just made a down payment on a house, that one had a blurb printed up in the newspaper. Sabotaging or pulling the person down is UNTHINKABLE, the goal for everyone is onwards and upwards because that accomplishes what is of central importance to middle class families, it enhances the family’s public IMAGE.

    If someone goofs up in middle class families, otoh — and by goof up I mean, they do something that may tarnish the family image — the silence is DEAFENING. By “goof up,” just as you said, I don’t mean really bad goofs, I mean goof ups that again have to do with image and aren’t immoral, unethical, etc. These goof ups around which the silence is deafening are things like getting pregnant without getting married, being gay or lesbian, dropping out of high school or college, getting bad marks, using illegal drugs or abusing legal drugs, having an eating disorder, being obese, etc. The family tries to cover these things up as much as possible while working very hard to solve the person’s “problem,” get them counseling or get them to Nutrasystems or get them tutors or whatever. This is why you have these spectacular apparent hypocrisies amongst white conservatives who are suddenly revealed to have sex in bathrooms or whatever. Among middle class people, what matters most is image and protecting the family’s image, so there are all of these people who lead double lives. They appear to be successful, smart, etc., and they actually are, but they are anorexic or addicted to drugs or they drink too much but almost nobody in the family knows about it, it’s all hush hush. And when a middle class person blows it very publicly, the family is DEVASTATED.

    There are some exceptions but they have to do mostly with competition between individual middle class family members. Sometimes people in a family will sabotage one another in various ways, but not because they want everyone to be equally unsuccessful, more that one individual wants to be perceived as “better than” another person.

    Middle class people joke about these things, too, all the time. For example, when I was growing up and until this day, each of my two brothers insists that he is taller than the other brother. (They are always laughing when they say it but they always say it.) Every year, each member of my extended family, as a family joke, explains how once again this year, his or her Christmas tree is BY FAR THE BEST. One year as a joke, my youngest brother went around and used a video camera and interviewed all of us (three sisters, two brothers) and took video footage of our various trees. We all hammed it up like crazy and pointed out how our individual ornaments were BY FAR THE BEST compared with everybody else’s, and our tree was BY FAR THE BEST, compared with everybody else’s (and always a real tree, nobody in my family would THINK of having (1) no tree; (2) an artificial tree.) And then my brother made this hilarious video he showed at Christmas showing all of us demonstrating how our tree was BY FAR THE BEST.

    So there is this interest in competition, working harder, achieving more and whatever fits into those values is spoken of and whatever might mar the onwards-and-upwards theme is quickly swept under the rug. But in my experience, middle class families generally don’t try to pull their members down in the way you’ve noticed and described, Kitty, because the perception is, they will also be pulling themselves, the whole family, down, and the family reputation is extremely important to preserve.

    Having said that, I think defunct mother-daughter dynamics happen across the boundaries of class. I think it’s very true that mothers might call their daughters liars hoping people won’t believe it when the daughter reports how the mother abused or neglected her. Middle class mothers do this too, because the worst thing in the world for most mothers is to be a bad mother or have everybody know or think that you were or are. This goes to family image, so the daughter’s truth will be sacrificed to the family image. I think mothers across the boundaries of class often, maybe usually, have complex relationships with their daughters which include substantial components of fear of various kinds that comes out in the form of jealousies, resentments, etc. which manifests in passive aggression or acts of sabotage at times.

    If Maria told others her brother was killed by the stepfather, my hunch would be she might be wanting to seem or be important by telling this shocking story. I don’t know if that is the behavior of a pathological liar; I think it might be the behavior of a young, insecure, somewhat naive girl, wanting attention maybe.

    More generally, girls and women are placed in catch-22 situations every day where if they tell the truth they will be severely punished and if they lie they will be severely punished. Some will decide what course to take based on survival and self-protection and which punishment they are more prepared to endure. That, to me, is a no-brainer. I wouldn’t call a woman protecting herself by telling lies a pathological liar. I would call her a woman, protecting herself.

    Anyway, thanks for getting me thinking about all of this, very interesting!

    Posted by womensspace | January 21, 2008, 3:45 am
  46. There are families that seem to love their children and encourag them, and then there are families that want to denegrate the achievers in their midst.

    My bottom line has always been to work on my life, and stay away from anyone who undermines my objectives. If I even sense lobsterpotism, I’m not going to be bothered with that person or group. As I get older, I have even less patience with downward mobility or the worship of this sorry state of affairs for women.

    Someone once said that every woman is just one husband away from being on welfare, and I believe it. I’m still shocked at women who marry men, and abdicate all responsibility in the work world. I don’t know who they think they are kidding.
    Then a war comes, and the canon fodder line up!

    In the final analysis, if you look at world history, you have very few societies that even manage to develop a middle class. A lot of the world still struggles with the few wealthy elites, and then the rest of the country rots in poverty. Middle class is a miracle on the world scene. Making sure people have access to this is important worldwide.

    We should not tolerate groups of people who think it’s ok to attack young people who want to achieve. Achievement and ambition are the very hallmarks of civilized life, and women especially need to honor achievement in each other, not tear it down or start the lobster pot waters aboiling.

    Poverty is very much drummed into people at a very young age. I think parents must think their children are still free labor or property.

    So if we want out of this sorry state of affairs, I don’t know the solution — I’m not part of heterosexual anything as a family structure. I believe a viable lesbian feminist household brings out the very best in both partners. There is plenty of time to read and study and write, and a great gift where the life of the mind is fully honored. That was my ideal when I was a young radical lesbian feminist.

    I guess I just didn’t expect much from heterosexual society at all. I was convinced that I had to make my life my own, so perhaps it’s why I have so little patience with it as a very degraded and awful institution. Who can say really?

    Posted by Satsuma | January 21, 2008, 4:27 am
  47. Spam sailing on moon river…. or should I say rowing down moon river…🙂

    Posted by Satsuma | January 21, 2008, 4:27 am
  48. Not saying that all poor people act this way. Perhaps the difference is more distinguished when one poor family is really working on the upward mobility angle and another one right next to them are not. I know I grew up with some tight lip families around me and some who always had their business in the streets. (I was listening to Boz Scaggs “Lowdown” while I walked the dog today! LOL!) Not all poor families fight among themselves, but it does seem like I’ve seen it a lot, and I tend to read it a lot, sort of that internecine type viciousness that serves no other purpose but to keep people down. I am quite sure the middle and upper classes take advantage of this internal fighting just like the way patriarchy takes advantage of it in feminism.

    Poor Maria. When I was her age, I told lies. Mostly I think, because I wanted people to include me. Just little stupid lies. And for a while I had finished college before I had even stepped foot in a college.

    Posted by ekittyglendower | January 21, 2008, 5:39 am
  49. I don’t know ekitty– I grew up in a very class mixed neighborhood as a child, and there didn’t really seem to be all that much fighting. My girl scout troop was very class mixed as well, and our family seemed to have friends who were plumbers and electricians as well as photographers and journalists, and housewives.

    It has always bothered me when people get mad at people who want to advance in life. Especially women.

    As for lying when you are young, my only biggest lie was simply to be in the closet until the age of 22 or so. I pretty much stuck to my studies and was determined to get the education I needed to go where I wanted to go.

    It seemed like all the kids had jobs, and were saving money either for private catholic high schools or college despite what class they came from, and this was considered perfectly normal.

    Although, it does seem very weird about the lies women constantly tell– a weird thing I often notice in la la land here.
    There is the lie of false hair color, the lie of breast implant surgery, the lie of even hiding yourself in make-up to begin with, to the deteriment of your economic future. E.g. women spending more money on make-up and investing no money in retirement accounts. Then there are the lies women tell to deal with men, when they could easily just cut the garbage and be direct. Men seem so out of it socially most of the time, that I don’t think they know what is going on around them.

    I don’t think middle class families have the time to plot class warfare against the poor — too long hours, double incomes, children… when I talk to my cousins or brother, they’re all swamped and barely have time to read a book, let alone plot the downfall and incite fighting among the poor.

    Sometimes, I think we get too ideological about daily life. It is what it is. Each social class has its own little peculiarities, and it is only when you move between all classes that you begin to get the strengths and weaknesses of each group.

    It was one of the strengths of the lesbian community many years ago — a unity of all lesbians despite race and class, but this is rarer and rarer these days. Maybe a casualty of changing economic times. I noticed that many of my friends simply didn’t like me for wanting to be better and better at what I did for a living, and there was of course a separation in thinking between the entrepreneur and the salaried person — a source of a lot of hidden conflicts I think. My two cents on a rainy Monday …. although neither gets me down🙂

    Posted by Satsuma | January 21, 2008, 5:46 pm
  50. Well, I’m not talking about a mixed-class community. I speaking of my community. I’m making my community visible. A community that the middle class cannot bother to think about and mixed-class communities are afraid of becoming. A mixed-class community is just a wannabe middle-class community. Not the same thing as the community I’m speaking of.

    Posted by ekittyglendower | January 22, 2008, 12:26 am
  51. I spent nearly 9 years in the Marines, and I’ve seen it all before. The woman accusing the man of rape is made to look like a lying tramp who is just trying to get revenge. That is how they treat these women, then they force them out of the military with no benefits to fend for themselves. It’s a sick sad world, but it’s the truth.
    I hope that this case will help others who have been victimized and keep future acts down to a minimum.
    God Bless and Keep you Maria.

    Posted by Lisa | January 22, 2008, 12:37 am
  52. All Military men are scum. I was with a man in the army for three years, two before he enlisted, and it wasnt until afterwards that he started to beat me. The fact that these pigs are allowd to get away scott free with what they do is sickening…and now, a 20 year old who endured hell during her basic training, AND her innocent unborn child are dead….MURDERED…because the military LIED, rather that support the innocent. At 8 monthes, that child was so close to life….during the 2nd trimesster, some, if not most, fetuses can respond to touch, and during the latter parts, can actually hear, hence the string of utero books. to kill thatwoman and her child was the same as breaking into a house, raping and MURDERING and innocent 20 year old girl, and then MURDERING an infant child. “freindly terms?” I dont know many women who would be on friendly terms with the man who brutalized them. And im sure, being a marine, she was not unfamiliar to sexist remarks/ behavior, and unfair, degrading treatment. The fact that the people in charge allowed her to suffer in these ways is unthinkable, and i think that all the marines in charge, who REFUSED to protect her, should face the same tratment as her DISGUSTING PIG of a murderer

    Posted by Kelly | January 22, 2008, 2:38 am
  53. I don’t think middle class families have the time to plot class warfare against the poor — too long hours, double incomes, children… when I talk to my cousins or brother, they’re all swamped and barely have time to read a book, let alone plot the downfall and incite fighting among the poor.

    I don’t think middle class families “plot” class warfare against the poor, but I think they do take advantage of whatever weaknesses may exist in poor families to make themselves look better by comparison. One example that immediately comes to my mind is, often times children in poor families are left to fend for themselves, without caregivers before or after school, because there just isn’t any money to hire caregivers. If a single mom earns $10 an hour working at Starbucks, she isn’t going to be able to shell out $10 an hour for child care. Children left alone without care often fight, get into trouble, they do childish things. This is the reason children need caregivers! Anyway, this gives rise to stereotypes that poor families don’t care about their kids, have poorly-behaved kids, don’t supervise their kids, neglect them, and because of these stereotypes, middle class families often won’t let their kids play with the children of poor families, and the poor families are shunned in various ways. Sometimes middle class families will report poor families to agencies for “neglect”, as well, because their kids are left at home alone, or because a house is ill-kept, maybe because there are several children, not enough money for cleaning supplies, mother or parents working two, three jobs without time/money to maintain their places. The issue in these instances is poverty– not neglect. But poor families get stereotyped as neglectful anyway and shunned as inferior to middle class families who, for example, may be able to hire some poor single mother to supervise their own kids before and after school for $10 an hour, while she leaves her children alone to fend for themselves because she has no other options.

    There are other stereotypes about the poor — that they are more likely to engage in criminal activity or to abuse drugs. In fact, they are more likely to be accused of these things and to be arrested/reported for them. Middle class people are just as likely to behave criminally, but their crimes are different, i.e., “white collar” crimes of various kinds and they aren’t as likely to be suspected or arrested for the crimes they commit. They can also afford to hire attorneys to represent them, they have assets or relatives who can bail them out of jail, etc., whereas poor people don’t. There are young adults sitting in jails in L.A. and other places right now because they were driving without a valid license, got a ticket, couldn’t pay it and got thrown in jail. A middle class kid’s parents would just pay the ticket. Middle class people are also no less likely to abuse substances, but perhaps they abuse prescription medications or can get away with their drug abuse because they *are* middle class and hence people don’t suspect they abuse drugs, as they do suspect the poor are likely to. But middle class people will point the finger and, again, shun the poor, blind to the fact that they do the very same things and that they are classist and bigoted against poor people.

    The middle class is no more busy than poor people are. Poor people also have jobs, sometimes a couple of them, school schedules for their kids, etc. They may have long commutes by bus because they don’t have cars or don’t have cars good enough to commute in. They can’t stock their fridges with convenience foods and they can’t pick up dinner on the way home, either. They might not have dishwashers or other conveniences so they are more busy at home than middle class people.

    Having said that, I don’t think that the waging of class or race or sex or any other kind of “warfare” — in other words, classist or racist or sexist behaviors or acts — have to do with people having time enough to engage in them! Classist, sexist, racist behaviors are learned early in life, are often practiced regularly, become engrained, and people don’t even think about them. That’s what’s so pernicious about these things. They also get represented in the media and are modeled by society and culture in various ways such that people are not even conscious of how systemic these oppressions really are. A family might move into a neighborhood and simply immediately toss out that the child is not allowed to go to the brown ramshackle house at the end of the street, just based on the fact that the house does appear to be ramshackle and therefore there are all of these assumptions about who lives there. That’s classist.

    In response to this kind of classism (and also racism), sometimes people become inordinately, over-the-top meticulous about their homes and physical appearance and vehicles, also very authoritarian so far as discipline of children, animals, etc. If you have to leave your kids alone, you have to somehow try to protect them against being reported, and the only way might be to be such a disciplinarian that they would not dare to do anything out of line or even to show themselves when you are not around. This is out of survival and self-preservation; they know the stereotypes and bigotry– that they are lazy, not clean, neglectful, etc.– and they want to head that stuff off at the pass and protect their families. Of course, then middle class people criticize them for being harsh or abusive with their children or animals or for having cars they can’t afford outside of their poor living spaces etc. Which is another way middle class people have of distancing themselves and using poverty against the poor.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | January 22, 2008, 9:12 pm
  54. Writing about this is reminding me of a blog post I intended to write but never did (still may) about a study someone did that showed that middle class and upper middle class working women performed something like an hour less on average of housework/household chores compared with poor working women. (I think that was the study). They had all of these theories about why this was, all of which were ridiculous. The reason middle/upper class women perform less housework is, they don’t have to maintain everything they have to the enth degree, they just throw things out and replace them when they break. They have the tools they need to do their housework– dishwashers, good washers and dryers, vacuum cleaners. They can hire housecleaners. And so on. I should find that study.

    Posted by womensspace | January 22, 2008, 9:32 pm
  55. LAUREAN TENIA QUE SER DE JALISCO!
    LOS HOMBRES DE ALLA SE CREEN MUY MACHOS…ES LA TIERRA DEL CHARRO MEXICANO.
    SI YA SABEN QUE ANDA POR ALLA OJALA Y PRONTO LO CAPTUREN Y LO TRAHIGAN PARA QUE DE LA CARA POR LO QUE HIZO.
    AYER MANDE UN CORREO PERO NO SE ENTRO NO SE QUE PASO PERO EN EL DECIA QUE TENIA QUE SER DE UNO DE LOS ESTADOS DE MEXICO DONDE LOS HOMBRES SE CREEN MUY MACHOS Y SEGUN ELLOS PUEDEN TENER LAS MUJERES QUE QUIERAN.
    ASI SE SIENTEN MAS!

    Posted by LETTY | January 22, 2008, 10:51 pm
  56. Thanks for your comments Heart. I greatly appreciate them. We all have a voice and that voice should not be erased or mixed in so as to gel with the reality of another.

    Posted by ekittyglendower | January 23, 2008, 10:54 pm
  57. Que Dios le haga justicia a Maria Lauterbach y a su hijo.

    Abran los ojos y salgan de dudas, ¿Por qué la investigación del caso es tan mala, al punto que el sospechoso tiene tiempo de huir?

    Jesucristo le hará justicia a María Lauterbach, ya lo verán.

    Posted by Róger Méndez | January 24, 2008, 1:44 am
  58. Unfortuneately for the Lauterbach family they will never know the truth. Fact — I spent time with my daughter on several bases and the drunkedness promoted by the military is disgusting. Isn’t the drinking age 21? I do not belive that Maria was lying, afraid and confused yes, lying NO. She was sexually assaulted by Laurean. HE WAS MARRIED, MADE A VOW AND DISHONORED IT. That makes him in the wrong. And obviously she did not throw him down and rape him. She is dead because we have another hot headed male Marine letting woman know that he’s in charge. Justice will come, not soon enough. I wish I could use this situation to get my daughter out of the military. She thinks she can make a difference. . . GOD LET MARIA AND HER BABY MAKE CHANGES.

    Posted by Marine mom of Corp Maria Frances | January 24, 2008, 6:37 pm
  59. http://www.esmas.com/noticierostelevisa/mexico/697149.html

    UN COMPLICE MAS!
    El primo de Laurean que primero dice que el no sabia que estaban buscando.

    Y despues declara esto:

    Ramos Ramírez dijo que no había llamado a la policía después de que se entrevistó con su primo, porque él cree que Laureán es inocente.

    “No creemos conveniente hablar con la policía. Es una persona normal, con ninguna tendencia de hacer algo malo”, agregó Ramos Ramírez.

    Ramos indicó a la AP que la policía aún no le había llamado hasta el martes para preguntarle por su primo, a pesar de que existe una búsqueda internacional para arrestarlo.

    Asimismo, funcionarios del estado de Jalisco no han sido informados oficialmente sobre la orden de captura que pesa sobre Laureán.

    Ramos Ramírez indicó que Laureán y la mayoría de sus familiares emigraron a Estados Unidos hace más de 10 años y que sólo lo ha visto en otras tres ocasiones desde entonces.

    La segunda ocasión, hace cinco años, Laureán vino de vacaciones y pasó unos días con la madre de Ramos Ramírez, María Ramírez.

    La señora Ramírez estaba con su hijo cuando Laureán entró la semana pasada en la vinatería.

    Laureán no ha hablado con otros familiares en México, indicó Ramos Ramírez, quien indicó que Laureán no se quedó mucho tiempo y no dijo por qué estaba en México o hacia donde se dirigía. Ramos Ramírez indicó que no le sorprendía la breve visita sorpresiva, porque Laureán no mantenía relaciones muy cercanas con sus parientes en México

    Posted by LETTY | January 27, 2008, 11:48 pm
  60. Comparto esta noticia con ustedes porque espero que si un dia detienen a Cesar A.Laurean hagan las autoridades exactamente lo mismo.La policía mexicana detuvo el sábado a David Sauceda, de 28 años, afuera de una casa en la localidad de Tangancícuaro, a unos 322 kilómetros (200 millas) al noroeste de la ciudad de México. Sauceda había estado viviendo en el lugar con su novia y dos hijos, dijeron las autoridades.

    México extraditó a Sauceda por violar la ley migratoria, sin pasar por el proceso normal de extradición, agregaron.

    “No hubo ninguna cuestión de extradición”, dijo el alguacil LaFayette Collins, de acuerdo con la edición dominical del sitio web del diario San Antonio Express-News. “Los mexicanos se querían deshacer de él”.

    Sauceda, presunto miembro de la pandilla Mafia Mexicana que actúa en prisiones, está acusado de asesinato, robo a mano armada y allanamiento de morada.

    El y su hermano Jesse Sauceda fueron acusados del asesinato de un hombre en San Antonio en el 2006. Seis días después del incidente, David Sauceda ingresó supuestamente por la fuerza a la casa de una mujer de 59 años, la ató con cinta aislante, y le robó dinero, joyas y una tarjeta de cajero automático. Fue arrestado en Corpus Christi.

    Sauceda escapó de la cárcel del condado de Bexar el 28 de octubre al hacerse pasar por su compañero de celda y recitar de memoria la información personal de éste. Una persona no identificada había pagado la fianza del compañero de celda.

    Funcionarios del condado indicaron que la treta aparentemente funcionó debido a un error humano y fallas de comunicación entre los carceleros. Las autoridades detectaron la huida de Sauceda seis horas después.

    En diciembre, el Servicio Federal de Alguaciles calificó a Sauceda como uno de sus 15 prófugos más buscados y ofreció una recompensa de 25.000 dólares por información que llevara a su captura. Se inmediato se desconoce la situación de la recompensa.

    No dejemos que este caso se olvide…Tenemos que seguir pidiendo justicia,quiza con esto le salvemos la vida a otras mujeres mas.

    Le escribi una carta a un movimiento de mujeres en Zapopan,Jal. en donde fue visto ultimamente Cesar.

    Para que supieran mas de la noticia ya que hay muchos pueblos en Mexico que tardan meses para que aparescan las noticias internacionales.

    Posted by LETTY | January 28, 2008, 2:24 pm
  61. Well, I know med school is currently kicking ladoctorita’s butt. I wonder if profacero can come and translate? Funnie? Lucky?

    Posted by womensspace | January 28, 2008, 4:26 pm
  62. heart, there is this google language tools dealie that can help you roughly translate all of letty’s posts:

    http://www.google.com/language_tools

    i use this tool on occasion when i want to get the gist of what someone has written in a language i don’t fully understand.
    ___________

    goddess, i hope someone finds cesar. unfortunately, there will always be other patriarchs applauding what he did. this story makes me so sick.

    i am SOO grateful that my husband was turned down by the marines because of his felony. at the time, it was devastating because we needed money, but goddess knows what could have happened to us had he been accepted into that violence-worshiping gang.

    i think about what it would feel like to be the wife of a murderer. the wife of a trained killer. the wife of an instrument for corruption. i can only feel terror when i think about this.

    it’s been a little while since you made this post, heart, and i still struggle with finding words to express how i feel. so much sadness and pain and terror. :(….

    Posted by avril joy | January 28, 2008, 6:23 pm
  63. “It’s sad that this is what her mother believes, and I would certainly disagree wholesale with what she said there, but she sure didn’t say her daughter’s vulnerabilities triggered the events which caused her death!

    Why does it matter now, at this point, whether Laurean raped Maria Lauterbach or not? Whether they had consensual sex or not? Why is anybody even talking about this, or about whether or not Laurean “really” harassed Lauterbach on the Marine base where they both worked.

    Do people honestly believe a man who is capable of murdering a woman and her baby and burning them in his backyard is not also capable of raping her, relentlessly harassing her, and destroying her life?

    Why is what Maria Lauterback may have done to Laurean or in her past or at any time any issue at all? For anyone? Anywhere?”

    MORE VICTIM BLAMING. I wish that, instead of focusing on what supposedly made her a victim people would focus on what made this man a killer? She’s a victim, not because of her so-called vulnerabilities, but because a man decided to take a life. I’m so sick of it when a crime against a woman is committed, everyone focuses on the woman, how the woman had it coming, and then you get a list in your e mail about how to not be a victim of men who rape, murder, and kill.

    Posted by kiuku | January 29, 2008, 1:33 am
  64. Thanks for the explanation of poverty and middle class families.

    Since I don’t know many women who do have children, and can only watch the economic destruction of women from a distance, I can only say that we have one hell of a way to go.

    Posted by Satsuma | January 29, 2008, 1:37 am
  65. Yeah, the facts that she was a) pregnant and b) murdered speak to the fact that she had sex with somebody and that somebody killed her.

    Laurean’s defense against the rape charge wasn’t that the sex was consensual but that it didn’t happen. No one else has stepped forward as the baby’s father. If Laurean is the father, that is easy to prove…as are his lies.

    And his proven, documented actions aren’t those of an innocent man. Let’s take a tactic used on women who charge a man with rape. If he was innocent, when Maria showed up at his house demanding money, why not call the police? If he’s innocent, then he’s in the right at that point.

    Posted by Miranda | January 29, 2008, 2:29 am
  66. I don’t think it is woman-blaming or victim-blaming to tell women that we’re better off staying out of the military. The idea that the military is any sort of “opportunity” for anything other than–hey–a *military career* is a MYTH. You might get some mileage from a prospective employer who still falls for that “military service=exemplary human being” tripe and you might get the G.I. Bill but that’s about it. The military is there for killing people and breaking things, as a certain annoying oxycontin-abusing radio talk show host used to say. On that one point, he was right.

    If what you want is college, go to college. If you didn’t have a good enough GPA to get in, then you weren’t meant to go to college. If college is too much, go to technical school. If you don’t have the money right now, work in the so-called “real world” for a few years–you’d be out of the loop for two to four years anyway if you went into the service, so it really makes no difference. Colleges are becoming more accommodating to “nontraditional” students anyway. If you want to make the world “safe for democracy and human rights,” for Goddess’s sake join the freaking Peace Corps.

    I say this as an Army vet–not a war vet, just a vet–who saw one of her NCO’s names on a DOA emergency room admission one night when I went in to work because she had caught her boyfriend molesting her daughter and turned him in and he didn’t stay in nearly long enough and he threatened her life when he got out and she begged the Army to send her to Korea and they wouldn’t send her to Korea and somebody finally gave the piece of shit a ride from Vidalia to Hinesville and he paid her a little visit and shot her in the head. It isn’t just the Marines.

    Posted by R.E. | January 29, 2008, 7:21 am
  67. I should add here, I guess, that I would also advise MEN to stay out of the military because it’s not a good place for them either. It’s a cesspool. It’s not worth it.

    Posted by R.E. | January 29, 2008, 7:22 am
  68. hi all,

    here are my interpretations for the first three spanish comments, i’ll be back to do the rest later.

    -ladoctorita

    ***

    44 Letty

    Every day that passes, more things are discovered that we believe only because we see them . . . now he even stole from her after killing her, and his wife became an accomplice whether consciously or unconsciously.

    I love my husband very much, but something like that goes against my principles. The first thing I would have done is go to the authorities and tell them everything I knew or suspected about him, and then gotten as far away from him as possible for the protection of my daughter and myself. That’s what it means to cooperate with the authorities . . . not waiting to be questioned and giving him time to get away.

    He raped her, he killed her and her baby, and he stole from her . . .

    They say that if he is found in Mexico and extradited to the U.S., he cannot be given the death penalty . . . but I think he is going to want them to kill him, if he hasn’t killed himself already.

    Yesterday I saw some photos from Camp Lejeune where they make bonfires in concrete buckets. Outside there is a cross that says “ashes” . . . they seem to have a lot of fun throwing gasoline on the fire . . . I imagine that’s how he burned Maria and her baby.😦

    Greetings, your friend Letty

    (A Letty—si todavía no sabes, la palabra “ashes” quiere decir “cenizas” en Español. Atte.—ladoctorita)

    57 Letty

    Laurean must be from Jalisco (a state in western Mexico, the capital of which is Guadalajara). The men from there think of themselves as very “macho” and think they can have any woman they want. It’s the land of the Mexican “charro” (a stylized horseback rider, sort of toreador-esque, i think—ladoc).

    If they know where he is, hopefully he will be caught and brought back to face what he did.

    59 Róger Méndez

    May God make justice for Maria Lauterbach and her child.

    Open your eyes and clear up any doubts . . . Why has the investigation of this case been so bad, to the point that the suspect had time to get away?

    Jesus Christ will make justice for Maria Lauterbach, you’ll see.

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 29, 2008, 5:10 pm
  69. Thanks for taking time out of your BUSY schedule to translate these comments, ladoctorita. I’m wishing you well on your all your tests.

    Heart

    Posted by womensspace | January 29, 2008, 7:08 pm
  70. That fire pit is just too creepy.

    Posted by ekittyglendower | January 29, 2008, 7:11 pm
  71. I don’t think, as I’ve read various places, that Laurean’s wife was in on anything or knew of it. From everything I read, he told her, and within 24 hours she contacted authorities.

    I sure don’t criticize her for the fact that it took her a day to call authorities! I mean, geez, you get a call from your husband, “Hey babe, a woman JUST slit her throat back at the house, just wanted to let you know what was up and that I figured I’d bury her body in the backyard.” It makes me ILL that he TOLD his WIFE, putting her in that HIDEOUS position of having this hideous information to deal with. Abusive men do this all of the time, they unload their shit onto their wives/girlfriend, and now she has to deal with it, figure out what to do with it/about it, and the lines get all blurred just as they did here, now it’s not about HIS MURDER, it’s about whether his WIFE acted right, as well as whether his victims acted right, and while everybody speculates the guy chills somewhere, chatting it up with people. His cousin said when he talked with Laurean, Laurean seemed completely normal, nothing seemed amiss at all.

    Posted by womensspace | January 29, 2008, 7:40 pm
  72. 61 Letty

    (the text of the link she included: )

    Fugitive U.S. Marine visited family in Mexico: The US Marine wanted in the murder of his pregnant girlfriend was in Mexico visiting his family

    Guadalajara, Mexico, Jan. 22, 2008: U.S. Marine infantryman Cesar Laurean, wanted as the alleged murderer of a pregnant fellow soldier, visited relatives in Mexico last week.

    Laurean briefly visited the winery of his cousin Juan Antonio Ramos Ramirez in Zapopan, outside Guadalajara. Ramos Ramirez said that Laurean entered the premises last Monday or Tuesday, and the two cousins chatted about their families for about ten minutes. Laurean then told Ramos Ramirez that two friends were waiting for him outside.

    Days later, Ramos Ramirez saw on the television news that Laurean was wanted in the U.S. for the murder of 20-year-old Maria Lauterbach.

    Authorities have expressed suspicion that Laurean fled to Mexico, but Ramos Ramirez’s statements are the first public confirmation that the soldier had indeed been in the country.

    letty’s comment:

    Another accomplice: Laurean’s cousin, who at first said he didn’t know Laurean was wanted!

    And then he said this:

    “Ramos Ramirez said that he didn’t call the police after talking with his cousin because he believes Laurean is innocent

    ‘We didn’t think it was appropriate to call the police. He’s a normal person, with no tendencies to do anything wrong,’ added Ramos Ramirez.

    Ramos also indicated to the AP that the police hadn’t called him until Tuesday to ask about his cousin, despite an international manhunt to arrest Laurean. Additionally, officials in Jalisco have not been officially informed of the order to capture Laurean.

    Ramos Ramirez stated that Laurean and the majority of his relatives immigrated to the U.S. over ten years ago, and Ramos Ramirez has only seen Laurean three other times since then. The second time, five years ago, Laurean came on vacation and spent a few days with Ramos Ramirez’s mother, Maria Ramirez. Ms. Ramirez was with her son when Laurean came to the winery last week.

    Ramos Ramirez said Laurean has not spoken with any other relatives in Mexico, and said that Laurean did not stay long and did not say why he was in Mexico or where he was going. Ramos Ramirez said he wasn’t surprised at the brief, unexpected visit because Laurean did not have close ties to his relatives in Mexico.”

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 29, 2008, 8:06 pm
  73. 62 Letty

    I’m sharing this news with you because I hope that if one day Cesar Laurean is caught, the authorities will do the same.

    (original article at: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5490352.html happily, it’s in english🙂 –ladoc)

    “Texas fugitive, murder suspect arrested in Mexico

    SAN ANTONIO — A murder suspect who bluffed his way out of a Texas jail in October has been returned to San Antonio after being arrested in central Mexico, the U.S. Marshals Service said Sunday. Mexican law enforcement officials captured David Sauceda, 28, on Saturday outside a house in the town of Tangancicuaro, about 200 miles northwest of Mexico City. Sauceda had been living there with his girlfriend and two children, officials said.

    Mexico deported Sauceda on immigration violations without going through standard extradition procedures, authorities said.

    “There wasn’t an extradition issue at all,” U.S. Marshal LaFayette Collins said in a story posted on the San Antonio Express-News Web site Sunday. “The Mexicans wanted to get rid of him.”

    Sauceda, alleged to be a member of the Mexican Mafia prison gang, faces charges of murder, armed robbery and home invasion.

    He and his brother, Jesse Sauceda, were charged with killing a San Antonio man in 2006. Six days later, David Sauceda allegedly broke into a 59-year-old woman’s house, bound her with duct tape, and stole cash, jewelry and an ATM card. He was arrested in Corpus Christi.

    Sauceda broke out of the Bexar County Jail on Oct. 28 by pretending to be his cellmate, reciting the cellmate’s personal information. An unidentified person had posted bond for the cellmate.

    County officials said the ruse apparently worked because of human error and a breakdown of communication among jail workers. Sauceda was loose for more than six hours before authorities realized he was gone.

    Authorities said Sauceda will face additional charges stemming from his escape.

    The U.S. Marshals Service in December named Sauceda one of its 15 most-wanted fugitives.”

    We cannot let this case be forgotten. We must continue demanding justice . . . maybe we’ll be able to save some other woman’s life.

    I wrote a letter to a womens’ group in Zapopan, Jalisco, where Cesar was last seen, so that they will find out about this news. There are many rural areas in Mexico where it takes international news months to arrive.

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 29, 2008, 8:25 pm
  74. heart, AMEN to your comment #74.😦

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 29, 2008, 8:26 pm
  75. The other thing is, a guy that can murder a woman, or even if he didn’t, let’s say, for the sake of argument, a guy who can burn a pregnant woman’s body and bury it in the backyard is an abuser. Undoubtedly he abused his wife and there was that issue as well, what is going to happen to her if she tells. In one article I read, he said something to her, after telling her about the death/burial, like, “Are you with me on this?” That line sent shivers up my spine.

    How many abused women have heard some variation of that line. The man they are married to who abuses them shares some hideous secret or does some horrible thing or gets involved in something and wants to involve her. If she doesn’t want to be involved, she’s going to pay. If she does get involved, she’s going to pay, and *especially* if she tries to leave the guy, now he is going to drag all this stuff out and say “She wanted to do it, she knew about it, she participated in it, she even wrote about it, look at these e-mails.” Even, “It was her idea.”

    Like what my first ex, the one who beat me with a crowbar, of the type that killed Maria Lauterback, said during our divorce about the fact that he had a gun in the house making him a felon in possession of a firearm. “That wasn’t even my gun, that was Heart’s gun!” When I wouldn’t touch the thing and he knew it, I was a stone pacifist and HATED guns as I always have. But he insisted that I buy the gun because he, being a felon, could not, and I, of course, could. I didn’t want to buy it. But when you are married to someone capable of murder who regularly beats the shit out of you, you don’t argue. Not if you want to survive.

    Or relevant to the pornography discussion in the other thread, all the men who talk their wives into watching pornography with them, then during the divorce they say, “She watched it too! She wanted to watch it!” Humiliating her and blaming her. This is what Mary Winkler’s fate would have undoubtedly been had she tried to leave her husband.

    It’s also why I agree with cutting edge DV materials which include using pornography as a form of abuse.

    Anyway, “are you with me on this”: with that question, Laurean’s wife’s world turns upside down. Her choices are, go to the police and possibly end up *also* dead at her husband’s hands. Not go to the police and be an accomplice to murder and then… what. Keep being married to someone who, at the very least, buried a woman in the backyard?!

    For him to tell his wife was an act of horrible abuse, in and of itself. And now, as with millions and billions of women throughout history, she is left to carry on, care for their child, raise the child having to tell the child what Daddy did, bear the humiliation and pain of all of it and survive somehow.

    Posted by womensspace | January 29, 2008, 8:31 pm
  76. “For him to tell his wife was an act of horrible abuse, in and of itself.”

    i whole-heartedly agree.

    there are so many ways that men abuse women, this being one of them — the unloading of terrible information — and this is usually completely overlooked. i’m so glad you brought this up.

    Posted by avril joy | January 29, 2008, 10:11 pm
  77. Hola!
    Aqui de nuevo solo para comentarles que hice un experimento y me da temor lo que encontre.
    Bueno lo que hice fue que puse la foto del primo de Cesar A.Laurean Ramirez y algunas de Cesar y se parecen tanto que hasta las manchas de los barros tienen en los miamos sitios.
    Me llamo la atencion una que se le ve a la altura del oido derecho y la nariz.
    La busque en varias fotos de las que pusieron y alli estaba.
    Las cejas es el otro detalle y las ojeras de sus ojos,tambien en el area del bigote se le notan marcas de barros igual a las del primo Cesar.
    Yo me pregunto le habran tomado las huellas dijitales a Ramos Ramirez.
    Porque si se dejan llevar por la targeta de votar mexicana ya estuvo que se pueden equivocar.
    Ya que en mexico cualquiera puede sacar una con buen billete.
    Tuve un compan~ero de trabajo en Mexico que dice que era ciudadano americano y tenia su tergeta mexicana con su foto.
    Solo que no se puede confiar.

    Posted by LETTY | January 29, 2008, 11:49 pm
  78. whoops!

    i just realized that in my comment #75, in interpreting letty’s comment #61, i incorrectly translated “vinatería” as “winery” when the actual translation is “liquor store.”

    so sorry!😦

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 30, 2008, 12:48 am
  79. Una pregunta para Letty- cuando Ud. dice “mancha de barro,” quiere decir una cosa en la piel como una peca, o un lunar? o una cicatriz? Por favor digame para que puedo traducir su ultimo mensage a ingles. Gracias!

    Atte.
    ladoctorita

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 30, 2008, 1:27 am
  80. Heart, The DaytonDaily is reporting the baby as a boy, Gabriel Joseph.

    Maria and Gabriel Lauterbach

    Family-Placed Obituary

    LAUTERBACH, Lance Cpl. Maria F. 20, and infant son Gabriel Joseph, of Vandalia, passed away Saturday, December 15, 2007 in Jacksonville, North Carolina. Maria was a graduate of Vandalia Butler High School Class of 2006, and the Montgomery County Career Center. She was a gifted athlete excelling in soccer, softball and basketball and also very active with the St. Christopher youth group. Miss Lauterbach was a Lance Corporal in the US Marine Corps. Maria is survived by her parents, Victor and Mary (nee Steiner) Lauterbach 3 sisters, Ann, Kate and Theresa; brother, Ed; numerous aunts, uncles, and cousins. Mass of Christian Burial will be held 10:00 AM, Saturday, February 2, 2008 at St. Christopher Catholic Church, Vandalia, with burial following at Calvary Cemetery. Friends may call at the church Thursday, January 31, 2008 from 4-8 PM. The family requests donations to be made to Vandalia Butler Foundation, Maria Lauterbach Athletic Scholarship Fund, PO Box 722, Vandalia, OH 45377. Envelopes will be available at the church. Arrangements by The Westbrock Funeral Home, Dayton.

    Posted by ekittyglendower | January 30, 2008, 4:58 am
  81. Doctorsita!
    Gracias por tu apoyo…y traducur mi mensaje…la mancha que mensiono es como una sicatriz de un grano en su cara.
    lo que pasa que puse las fotos en mis documentos y asi las pude ir acercando tanto para verlas mejor que me llamo mucho la atencion.
    Lo mismo hice con la boca y las ojeras de sus ojos…lo que pasa que en una foto que ensen~aron cuando el fue a la oficina del Sheriffe en Norte Caronlina, la cabeza se mira como la del primo de lejos.
    Yo soy morena clara como,porque me veo blanca pero cuando tomo sol mi piel cambia y se hace morena.
    Si no son la misma persona,es una casualidad bien grande.
    Las cejas en forma de pico arriba,aunque en unas fotos se ve que cesar se la arreglaba,pero es igual tambien.
    Bueno ya no te doy mas trabajo,solo estoy aqui siguiendo la noticia ayer publicadon que en Mexico ya tienen la orden de aprencion,eso ya es ganancia.

    Yo le estoy escribiendo a barios Periodicos de Jalisco pidiendoles que no olviden la noticia,tenemos que encontrarlo.

    Una cosa mas porque no cuestionaron a la tia de Cesar? Y solo declaro el hijo si estaban alli los dos,segun palabras del primo de Casar.

    Muchas gracias otra vez y un abrazo bien grande para todas las chicas,su amiga,Letty

    Posted by LETTY | January 30, 2008, 2:22 pm
  82. Thanks for all the translation, La Doctorita.

    Just now saw your earlier request for help, Heart – sorry to leave you or anybody high and dry. But this thread is well beyond my skill-set – both linguistically (haven’t translated in ~10 years, and wasn’t so hot back then!) and stomach-wise (I just can’t handle keeping tabs on stories like this on the regular).

    Anyway, my lack of reading or responding isn’t because I wouldn’t like to do either, as much as I just can’t do more than the occasional check-in.

    Posted by funnie | January 30, 2008, 2:39 pm
  83. ***“For him to tell his wife was an act of horrible abuse, in and of itself.”***

    Absolutely. Actual rape and murder is only the tip of the iceberg of the ways that men abuse women.

    Posted by Branjor | January 30, 2008, 2:56 pm
  84. Hey girls!
    It found ways to communicate with you and not give so much work to Doctorsita.
    I am with you and I like to read all the cases that are published here.
    Although my way of thinking I believe that the courageous lives while the cowardly wants.
    Women have to assess the communication we have with our partners before acting.
    I believe that women should be like the snake very astute … well calculate the ground piza before acting.
    If you have a husband who gives you fear, that relationship is not healthy … one must make very big distance from that person.
    There are men who threatened the wife to take the children, and it is not because both want.
    Simply because they know well that a mother will hurt a lot, and is the most common way to deter women at his side.
    Only my recommendation for these women is not to stop this is not love.
    Throughout my life I have seen everything and I have to act in defense of battered women.
    Once on the bus a black man started to disturb a young woman who had a girl, when I saw her try to defend himself and he subio up and started to want to break into the bus.
    I had a gallon of paint in my hand and I gave him two strikes, because they do not want to release the girl.
    There are times when one has to act at the time but did not recommend it to anyone.
    Only in a case of real emergency.
    Only that acuerdense the brave lives, while cobarde wants!
    We must denounce all abusers.
    A hug wants your friend, Letty

    Do not write everything I want to say but as something is better that nothing.

    Posted by LETTY | January 30, 2008, 3:50 pm
  85. Kitty, I think they believed the baby was a boy and she even named him based on a sonogram, but autopsy reports show the baby was a girl. Here’s the ABC report:

    By BRIAN ROSS
    Jan. 18, 2008

    Pregnant Marine Cpl. Maria Lauterbach was believed to have been killed by a crowbar blow to the head, a federal law enforcement official involved in the case tells the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

    As the search widened for her suspected murderer, Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean, initial autopsy results on Lauterbach’s burned body, found buried in a North Carolina field, indicate that Lauterbach was eight-months pregnant with a baby girl, the official said.

    Earlier reports from Lauterbach’s hometown in Ohio had said the unborn baby was a boy, to be named Gabriel Joseph.

    She had told her family she believed her unborn child was a boy based on an early sonogram. Officials say a second autopsy will be conducted by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

    Officials at the Onslow County, N.C. sheriff’s office have confirmed they have the suspected weapon in their possession but not confirmed it is a crowbar.

    “We do have an item that we believe is consistent with the findings of the medical examiner, and we believe it could be the murder weapon,” Capt. Rick Sutherland told the Associated Press today.

    The crowbar has been sent to the state crime lab for forensic testing, according to the federal official.

    Link

    Hey, Letty, I appreciate you being here and all you’ve contributed — thank you! So true, once our hearts beat for battered women, when we read a story like this, we want to do something, anything, even if it’s just being able to talk about it with other women committed to ending abuse and battering. There is so much in this story, so many people abused, really– Maria, Laurean’s wife, his child, the unborn little girl, Laurean’s mother. Then there is the abuse of the memory of Maria by the press, as well! One reason I am dedicated to blogging is, it gives us as women a chance to do the analysis of stories like this that mainstream media NEVER does.

    Posted by womensspace | January 30, 2008, 4:39 pm
  86. I think it is desecration to bury a girl as a boy. If that child is buried under Gabriel Joseph, I hope the reports of it being a girl is wrong. It is different to name the girl Gabriel Joseph and saying the child is a girl, but to say the child is a boy when it is a girl is just wrong.

    Posted by ekittyglendower | January 30, 2008, 5:01 pm
  87. Womensspace Hi!

    Here I am in the same pass a little time in this case that each day becomes more difficult to resolve.

    I do not think that at this stage of pregnancy is allan wrong because the exams.

    Rather may want to say that in the end that was not daughter of Cesar.

    Right now in a newspaper of Zapopan, Jal. find a man was burned refuge in a ranch apparently abandoned.

    Many authorities investigating the case … that’s rare for a stranger in Mexico.

    To see what happens, follow the news.

    http://www.laopinion.com/primerapagina/?rkey=00000000000003103910

    Here I put a link with a photo of Cesar’s cousin, look very similar.

    Posted by LETTY | January 30, 2008, 5:07 pm
  88. gracias, letty, ahora sí entiendo.🙂 ud. puede escribir bastante bien en ingles tambien! pero si alguna vez ud. prefiere escribir en espanol, no se preocupa, no es ningun trabajo para mi, es un placer. atte.—ladoctorita

    ***

    everyone else, here’s letty’s comment #80, as well as part of #84 (the rest was directed to my linguistic question, not relevant to the conversation.🙂 )

    80 Letty

    Hi!

    Here again just to mention that I did a little experiment, and what I found scares me.

    I put a picture of Cesar’s cousin next to one of Cesar, and they look so much alike—they even have acne scars in the same places. One that called my attention was at the level of the right ear and the nose; I looked for it in the pictures I put out and there it was. The eyebrows are another detail, and the dark circles under the eyes. Also on the upper lip you can see acne scars equal to those of Cesar’s cousin.

    I wonder if the local authorities have taken Ramos Ramirez’s digital fingerprints to make sure he’s who he says he is, because if they only went by his Mexican voter ID card, they could have gotten the wrong person. In Mexico, anyone can get an ID if they pay enough money . . . I had a co-worker in Mexico who said he was an American citizen and had a Mexican ID card with his photo. You can’t trust those things.

    84 Letty

    . . . In the news yesterday they said that Mexican authorities finally have the official arrest warrant, so that’s a small improvement.

    I’m writing to several newspapers in Jalisco asking them not to ignore this news. We need to find him.

    One other thing: why didn’t they question Cesar’s aunt, since she was allegedly there when Cesar visited his cousin?

    Thanks again and a big hug to all you girls,
    Your friend Letty

    Posted by ladoctorita | January 30, 2008, 7:07 pm
  89. Doctorcita muchas gracias por tus palabras…eres un amor!!

    Quiza ya muchos leyeron esto pero a mi me enferma…como que no le aran cargos a la esposa de Laurean…Ella aqui dice mas de lo que alguien te puede platicar en un dia.

    Sabiendo como son los hombres de
    comunicativos…por fabor si a veces ni hablan para pedirte que quieren tenerte,simplemente empiezan a tocar…suena quiza duro pero es la verdad.

    A los hombres no les gusta hablar mucho,eso que dice que el le platico hasta de como se vehia Maria ese dia,solo lo nota quien estaba alli.

    aqui la noticias:
    January 30, 2008 – 8:34PM
    DAILY NEWS STAFF
    Christina Laurean had been told by her husband that he had buried a body in the back yard of their Onslow County home. She did not report that information to authorities until the next day, according to court records.

    Keeping that knowledge to herself, however, is not necessarily a crime, according to Joe Stroud, a criminal law attorney in Jacksonville.

    Authorities say Cpl. Cesar Laurean left town in the early morning of Jan. 11, a day after he told his wife that Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, who was pregnant at the time, had committed suicide before he buried her. An autopsy, however, revealed that Lauterbach died from blunt force trauma to the head. Lauterbach’s cause of death is listed as homicide.

    Cesar Laurean has since been indicted on a first-degree murder charge and other charges related to Lauterbach’s death and his fleeing the area. Christina Laurean has not been charged with a crime.

    Stroud, a former prosecutor who is not involved in the Lauterbach case, addressed the question at The Daily News’ request. He said that a charge of accessory after the fact does not apply to someone who was merely withholding information about a crime.

    “The better-reasoned cases in North Carolina have said that simply knowing about an act doesn’t make a person guilty of accessory after the fact,” he said. “A person could, however, be charged with obstruction of justice or something along those lines.”

    District Attorney Dewey Hudson said that as of Wednesday, Christina Laurean was not being charged with anything. Hudson is the district attorney for the 4th Prosecutorial District, which includes Onslow County.

    “It is still very early on in the investigation,” Hudson said. “We have only been on this case for about three weeks, and right now (Christina Laurean) is not being charged.”

    On Jan. 10, Cesar Laurean told his wife that Lauterbach had come to the Laureans’ house at 103 Meadow Trail on Dec. 15 and said she planned to leave the area. Cesar Laurean went with her to buy a bus ticket, but the two returned to the Laurean residence and began arguing, according to the version of events in the affidavits, based on what Christina Lauren told Sheriff’s Department detective John Dubois on Jan. 11.

    At the Laurean home, Lauterbach was “disoriented, agitated, and acting differently,” the statement says Laurean told his wife. Lauterbach then slit her own throat with a knife, Laurean told his wife, according to court records. He also made that claim in the notes he left behind before fleeing the area in the early morning hours of Jan. 11, according to what Christina Laurean told investigators that day.

    Cesar Laurean rode a bus into Mexico within days of leaving Onslow County, said Hudson.
    But as of Wednesday, Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown said he had heard of no new updates on Cesar Laurean or his whereabouts.

    “(Tuesday) they thought they had him (in Mexico), but it was the wrong person,” Brown said.
    Brown refused to speculate about whether Laurean is in Mexico.

    “At this present moment, I think if anyone knew where he was at, he’d be arrested,” Brown said. “People can guess, but I don’t want to guess. I don’t want to say somebody’s somewhere when they’ve got a whole wide world to travel in.”

    The search for Cesar Laurean involves the FBI, the Onslow County Sheriff’s Department, U.S. Marshals, the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation, Naval Criminal Investigative Service, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and Interpol.

    A representative with the U.S. Embassy in Mexico announced this week that a Mexican judge had issued a provisional arrest warrant for Laurean based on extradition paperwork filed by the Onslow County District Attorney’s Office.

    The FBI has offered a $25,000 reward to anyone who provides information that leads to the apprehension of Laurean.

    Posted by LETTY | January 31, 2008, 8:49 pm
  90. All the coverage I have seen today seems hell bent on humanising him, HIM! The sympathy will start pouring in.

    Posted by ekittyglendower | April 11, 2008, 11:43 pm
  91. Why object to this idea that being beautiful and being dishonest made Maria vulnerable? It doesn’t mean she did anything that deserved rape or murder. It means she made a better (worse?) target. Maria’s mother was right on the money on that one. A woman being beautiful means , in patriarchal culture, that a man has an excuse to rape her–namely that he’s a “red-blooded American male” who “couldn’t help himself.” A woman being beautiful AND a documented habitual liar means nobody is going to believe her when it happens.

    But you’re right, the fact she lied wasn’t nearly as important as what was done to her, and it never ceases to amaze me the way society assumes that victims have a greater responsibility to never take risks than perps have any responsibility whatsoever to never harm anyone.

    It struck me funny reading the comment about Laurean abusing his wife by telling her of the murder. My ex dumped it in my lap that he’d committed grand larceny. So I turned him in two days later and guess what, I caught no end of crap about it. And now I guess I understand a little better why Laurean’s wife didn’t go to the cops right away. All I had to deal with was major theft and I was so stunned that at first I didn’t know what to do. She had a hell of a lot more on her plate. Still, I’m not letting her off the hook just yet, in my own mind. Even if she is completely blameless of the crime itself or of being a direct accessory, we need to be more willing to defend other women, and children as well, when these are endangered by male violence. Men have made it abundantly clear that they don’t give a shit about us, so who’s left, logically?

    Posted by Dana | April 12, 2008, 9:11 am
  92. Apparently ‘vulnerability’ caused Ms. Maria Lauterbach’s death not a man. I’ve seen this increasingly used as an excuse or as a way of deflecting attention away from male perpetrators who inflict sexual, physical and of course not forgetting femicide on women and girls.

    Obviously if Ms. Lauterbach hadn’t been ‘vulnerable’ she wouldn’t have suffered such a terrible death. Patriarchy consistently comes up with new excuses and justifications for men who rape and murder women and children.

    What does it matter if Ms. Lauterbach did lie at some point in her life – the fact remains she was murdered by a man. Do we ask men who’ve had their cars stolen, or been mugged by another male if they have lied at some point in their lives, prior to the crime being committed. Of course not because it is not relevant to the crime. But as I said above, patriarchy uses every means possible to blame women and girls when in fact blame and accountability lies with the men who commit these crimes.

    Posted by jennifer drew | April 13, 2008, 9:37 pm
  93. There ALWAYS has to be some adjective used to describe the woman that takes the focus off of the VIOLENT man. She’s beautiful, vulnerable, young, pretty, tragic, free spirited, trusting, seductive, whatever. ANY adjective that doesn’t point out VIOLENT men.

    My husband was in the military for 22 years. For four of those we were stationed overseas. I know of so many rape cases right on that base – a few that were reported and then a few that were covered up. I know a military woman who was pushed out of the military because she was raped in the barracks, reported it, and they claimed she was just too “flirtatious” to remain in the military. This is why I ended up writing my women’s studies thesis on masculinity and militarism, and from a radical perspective – the entire military system needs to be dismantled.

    As I always say, “My mamma raised me to be a liberal feminist. But it took four years on a military base overseas to make me a radical feminist.”

    Glad to hear this guy has been found. I hope justice is served. Bastard.

    Posted by ceejay1968 | April 14, 2008, 4:37 am

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